it's been a rough ride through steinberg's troubles. they have been through a lot of turmoil ... and their product shows it .. i hope they get they're sh*t together ... but i'll be watching from the sidelines.

Rough ride, Jeff? You bet!! (And I've got plenty of mental saddle sores to show for it.)

Where is the 20-40% statement??!!??

If you're gonna do it, do it right!

ORIGINAL: PopulousRecords

I had a feeling that u guys would get ugly. Truth is....I didnt want to switch from sonar to nuendo. but now that i got a feel for it, there's no comparison. Nuendo is the best software ive ever used (In my opinion). and while you guys may think um talking nonsense, i said before that Sonar is a great program. but you know...at one point i was using Reason for my violins and thought it was the greatest thing ever, now I use EWQL...and although reason is decent software, once again, there is no comparison. I love posting here because you are all very helpful. If I have a question about softsynths/hardware,ect...i get more inteligent answers here then anywhere else. My point was only that it's wrong to be closed minded. For 90% of us...we work with what we have and do it well because we are efficient with it. I guess Im part of the other 10% thats never satisfied. I'm that guy that had to try out the new WP to compare it to MS office (Go Corel!).I could make a beat with a 4 track and an casio that i could sell for a grand, but I enjoy being on the cutting edge. Sonar is on the cutting edge! So is Cubase/Nuendo! I just think that those of you who want the best possible interface during your next upgrade should give steinberg a look.

Yamaha + software development =

ORIGINAL: Guitarmech111

Where is the 20-40% statement??!!??

If you're gonna do it, do it right!

ORIGINAL: PopulousRecords

I had a feeling that u guys would get ugly. Truth is....I didnt want to switch from sonar to nuendo. but now that i got a feel for it, there's no comparison. Nuendo is the best software ive ever used (In my opinion). and while you guys may think um talking nonsense, i said before that Sonar is a great program. but you know...at one point i was using Reason for my violins and thought it was the greatest thing ever, now I use EWQL...and although reason is decent software, once again, there is no comparison. I love posting here because you are all very helpful. If I have a question about softsynths/hardware,ect...i get more inteligent answers here then anywhere else. My point was only that it's wrong to be closed minded. For 90% of us...we work with what we have and do it well because we are efficient with it. I guess Im part of the other 10% thats never satisfied. I'm that guy that had to try out the new WP to compare it to MS office (Go Corel!).I could make a beat with a 4 track and an casio that i could sell for a grand, but I enjoy being on the cutting edge. Sonar is on the cutting edge! So is Cubase/Nuendo! I just think that those of you who want the best possible interface during your next upgrade should give steinberg a look.

This is the problem, he can't say it's 20 or 40% better, If he list the features in nuendo that are better than Sonar they'd be alot of features most of us don't need.I'm not deep into surround mixing and post production stuff, just typical music industry stuff.If you minus the features i don't need i think Sonar is better, especially when you consider price! And cakewalk has proven their on the cutting edge MOST HOST APPLICATIONS ACTUALLY HAVE TO PLAY CATCH UP TO SONAR.

attalus, you have said a good thing
"Steinberg's support sucks, but their products are good..."
You see, support means a lot to many people around here...

So is Cubase/Nuendo! I just think that those of you who want the best possible interface during your next upgrade should give steinberg a look.

Yes, their GUI designer (Dave Nicholson) does a heck of a good job.

I just uninstalled my copy of Nuendo 3. Like any program it has its share of annoyances, but a good program, IMO. All depends upon how you work and what features you need.

I've just had it up to here with their dongles and their high-and-mighty attitude.

I have Cubase SX2 aswell as Sonar 4SE & Sonar 5PE- i quiet simply hated Cubase SX2 for many reason's which i wont waste my time listing here. On the other hand a friend of mine loves Cubase SX2/3 and another friend of mine loves Magix Studio 8- we all make great music on our chosen sequencers and enjoy a bit of verbal jousting over a few pints(to put it lightly) in the pub. I think the guy was only trying to encourage us to try something new but to be honest i will never even install another Steinberg product on my pc- even if i won a copy of Nuendo i'd put it on eBay straight away and buy something that doesn't require another few months learning and a DONGLE. The one thing i have to say is that just because Sonar feels like a 'toy' to you doesn't mean the rest of us want to know- in my opinion that is Cakewalk bashing. What exactly makes it feel like a toy? If i had a toy like Sonar when i was a kid i would have been one happy kid Enjoy Nuendo

ORIGINAL: creaturestudios

I think the guy was only trying to encourage us to try something new........


............. The one thing i have to say is that just because Sonar feels like a 'toy' to you doesn't mean the rest of us want to know- in my opinion that is Cakewalk bashing. What exactly makes it feel like a toy? If i had a toy like Sonar when i was a kid i would have been one happy kid Enjoy Nuendo

You do understand the toy statement pretty much negates the whole "just encouraging you to try something new" deal.....sides, as you've stated, I've stated and many others............we've tried Nuendo, wasn't our cup of tea...........that's all we're saying.


Another thing, it's completely arrogant to assume any of us is using Sonar, simply because we haven't tried anything else.

We all went to high school with those kids whose entire self-worth was tied into what their favorite band was, and they wouldn't take anyone seriously if they didn't like that particular band (or style)

We all have known someone who takes their chosen sports team so seriously that they get in fights about which team is better.

It's all about a person's need to feel like they belong to something bigger than they are. Some people choose things that don't really matter, or that are simple matters of taste. They defend their indefensible positions with vague generalizations and cliche buzzwords.

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I personally chose Cakewalk because they were familiar, having been a user in my youth of their old midi-only "Cakewalk Express," and because the price was right. I've stayed a user because their interfaces are intuitive to my mind, and their programs do what I need and run stable on my machines.

Just my 2 pfennigs