J7243
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New DAW - What do you think?
Hi. These are the main specifications for the PC I'm thinking about getting (from www.pcspecialist.co.uk) to run Sonar 5 Producer. (I know Cakewalk have a page that lists the recommended requirements but I'd appreciate your insight.) CPU: AMD® ATHLON® 64BIT 4000 (San Diago) 1MB L2 Cache (939 pin) Memory: 1024 MB DDR400 PC3200 Motherboard: ASUS® A8V DELUXE: SATA, FIREWIRE, 8x AGP, 5 PCI etc Hard Drive: SATA 300 GB HARD DISK @ 7200rpm 16mb cache Power Supply & Cooling: Silent 550W PSU + 120mm Fan + 19.2 dBA CPU Cooler Is there anything you think I should add to enhance the performance? (I will get a soundcard, audio/midi interface and midi controller later.) Thanks. J.
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/04 17:13:04
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I have the same Motherboard, but I use the 10K RPM Drives, much faster. Is the video card dual headed. Two monitors is something you will likely want to have if your running the producer edition. THe only other thing I have is the Motu Traveler, which works great with Sonar, lots of audio channels and options, including the MIDI interface.
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J7243
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/16 14:34:27
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/16 14:40:51
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Personally, I'd go with 2G, and even go with a slightly lesser CPU if I had to account for the additional cost. (Hopefully you can keep the CPU and bump the RAM.) But there are some who would dispute whether 2G isn't overkill. Depends on what you use really. Yes, 10,000RPMs is good if you can get it. A little spendy, though. I bought 2 of the 74G for a RAID 0 array and it nearly doubled the cost of my PC.
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/16 14:55:01
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You don't specifically say how many hard drives. I would definitely have a seperate drive for the audio files - if cost is a factor you could live with a smaller system drive. Although 10K drives are faster it really depends on how many audio tracks you will want to stream in a single project. 7200 RPM drives should easily handle 50 or so tracks. Main thing is to have fun with it all though! :<)
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J7243
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/16 15:03:40
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Thanks for your input. I was planning to go for 1 large hard drive and partition it. Would it be better to have 2 separate hard drives? Thanks.
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/16 15:14:59
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ORIGINAL: J7243 Thanks for your input. I was planning to go for 1 large hard drive and partition it. Would it be better to have 2 separate hard drives? Thanks. Yes, separate hard drives are more efficient & faster than a partition. That's what we're doing, and it's MUCH faster than our last DAW. Also 2gb of mem seems to have REALLY improved performance over 1 gb. I'm just about to put my first SATA drive in our machine... hopefully it won't be a problem. I've read that there can sometimes be issues with Audio on SATA drives... Corey
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/16 15:15:53
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Yes 2 seperate hard drives without a doubt. One for OS and Prog's and the other for data. Many people use three with an external added for samples and such but it all depends on what you do with the PC. Good luck though either way, Wayne
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J7243
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/16 15:25:25
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/16 15:45:53
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I also have the same board as you. I'd suggest pretty much what others already have. More memory, 2GB at a mininum Dual LCD displays Another hard drive, at least, for samples Later, you might want to add a dual core CPU.
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/16 18:27:32
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More memory, 2GB at a mininum Geeez... you guys and your crazy sample banks! If your not using soft synths and samplers (I mainly track audio) that much memory is overkill. But then again, there's not really such a thing as too much as far as memory goes so if you've got the $.. go for it.
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/16 19:13:53
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ORIGINAL: darc Personally, I'd go with 2G, and even go with a slightly lesser CPU if I had to account for the additional cost. Huh???? I'm no computer expert, but I'd say go for broke getting the best CPU you can, and then increase the memory later when you need and can afford to. Getting another RAM stick for your A8V will be a lot easier than getting a whole new processor down the road...
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/17 12:42:30
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HI, dont waste your money on the 10K Raptors total waste of money also dont waste your money on the 4000, cant believe no one mentioned this get the X2 3800 about the same with in a few $ and you get 2 x CPUs not 1 heres what i would do X2 3800 2 x 1G ram 80G OS 250/300G 16meg cache audio drive (these benchmark as fast as the raptors. more space, less noise and heat less money. a no brainer same again for samples.(if needed) Scott ADK
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/17 14:21:38
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ORIGINAL: bigwayne56@earthlink.net Yes 2 seperate hard drives without a doubt. One for OS and Prog's and the other for data. Do you mean have all programs including windows and sonar on one drive then tell sonar to do everything on the other drive? I just store my projects on the other drive i did not know there would be a speed advantage to setting the drives up this way, can you explain how to get the max out of 2 drives and maybe why?
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/17 14:30:18
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ORIGINAL: AV_Matt ORIGINAL: bigwayne56@earthlink.net Yes 2 seperate hard drives without a doubt. One for OS and Prog's and the other for data. Do you mean have all programs including windows and sonar on one drive then tell sonar to do everything on the other drive? I just store my projects on the other drive i did not know there would be a speed advantage to setting the drives up this way, can you explain how to get the max out of 2 drives and maybe why? FROM ohhey That's easy. Sonar should be installed on the Windows XP drive in the default location. Then when you get it installed set the default for new projects to use "per project folders". Then make a folder on your second drive from Sonar projects and set the default location for new project to that location. Each time you start a new project the name of the project will become the name of the sub folder and each one will also have a sub folder called audio that all the recorded and imported clips will be stored in. For backups you should use Ghost or similar product to backup your Windows XP drive before each new install of software or change to configuration just in case it goes bad. Your projects can be managed like any other Windows files. You can back them up to a USB or Firewire drive for near line backup and from time to time you should also burn DVD-Rs of them and store them off site. Also, if you import any file make sure you check to box to copy them to the project folder so it contains all the files needed to play the project even if you more or delete the one you imported. Do not attempt to delete or rename any files in the project audio folder. Let Sonar manage them and use Tools / Clean audio folder to get rid of clips that have been removed from the project. < Message edited by ohhey -- 11/28/2005 10:05:12 PM >
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/17 20:14:51
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J7243
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/17 20:45:28
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Thanks for the input everyone.
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/18 00:15:59
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I also have the same board as you. I'd suggest pretty much what others already have. More memory, 2GB at a mininum Dual LCD displays Another hard drive, at least, for samples Later, you might want to add a dual core CPU. _____________________________ Asus A8V AMD 64 4200 X2 4GB RAM 3 LCD monitors Mucho storage FW-1884 NI Reaktor, Absynth, Battery2, Kontakt2 Motif 8, many Fender guitars, HandSonic .................................................................what Vid card are you using fot the cool triple Monitors......
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/18 12:21:19
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If your not using soft synths and samplers (I mainly track audio) that much memory is overkill. I agree. I'm using 512MB and still have physical RAM spare. But, then, I don't use samples. That said, the new DAW will still have 1 GB since RAM is so much cheaper now.
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2005/12/23 01:22:54
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ORIGINAL: Quasar ORIGINAL: darc Personally, I'd go with 2G, and even go with a slightly lesser CPU if I had to account for the additional cost. Huh???? I'm no computer expert, but I'd say go for broke getting the best CPU you can, and then increase the memory later when you need and can afford to. Getting another RAM stick for your A8V will be a lot easier than getting a whole new processor down the road... I've built a few DAW's and I tend to disagree with this. Ram is a Major component of DAW's because most VST's use them aggressively. That said, If Price is an issue and someone is only doing 8 tacks and a few VST's 1GB will get you by. But More Ram will give a bigger boost than a few more clock cycles. I have 2GB's w/2x2.0ghz AMD's in mine and wouldn't change a thing.
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2006/02/07 15:54:15
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To Scott: heres what i would do X2 3800 2 x 1G ram 80G OS 250/300G 16meg cache audio drive (these benchmark as fast as the raptors. more space, less noise and heat less money. a no brainer same again for samples.(if needed) Are those audio drives SATA? I'm nervous about using SATA drives for audio, but they seem to make more sense overall as a better, more efficient drive.
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RE: New DAW - What do you think?
2006/02/07 17:53:56
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ORIGINAL: soulicious Are those audio drives SATA? I'm nervous about using SATA drives for audio, but they seem to make more sense overall as a better, more efficient drive. No need to be nervous about using SATA HDs!!! I've used literally hundreds of them in DAWs... for both Sweetwater and independently. As Scott mentioned, the Raptors are loud/hot/smaller/expensive and are no faster than the 7200RPM HDs with 16MB cache. Truth be told, even the fastest 8MB cache drives are pretty darn fast nowadays. ie: A "lowly" 7200RPM/8MB Samsung drive is currently sustains ~67MB/Sec. That's darn fast for a HD you can pickup locally for ~$100! Quiet too... Stopping to absorb just how far we've come since the (original) 4-track version of SAW running on a 486/DX2 66MHz machine with a SCSI A/V rated HD (sustained a whopping 7.5MB/Sec)... it's just amazing!
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