Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application?

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2005/12/08 10:20:54 (permalink)

Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application?

Or does it require a host app in which to work?
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    subgeek
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 10:29:36 (permalink)
    it requires a host, but since it comes with a VST version you can use something like tobybear's minihost (http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1015.html) to run it almost stand-alone.
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 10:34:46 (permalink)
    Thank you for your reply. Do you think it will work with Adobe Audition 1.5?
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 10:43:37 (permalink)
    maybe? i thought audition was more of a wave editor than a host. i'm not sure if it handles real time soft synths or not. you might be able to get sound in with some tricky routing, but i don't know for sure.
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 11:04:27 (permalink)
    I am completely ignorant of music creation software, but I'm making an effort to educate myself and understand it.
    I write and produce commercials for radio and audio for TV voice overs and would like to get into creating custom music beds for my commercials.
    I was perusing the Cakewalk website when I came across information on Dimension.

    What I'd like to have is a program that contains the raw elements of music and will allow me to combine those elements into complete music beds.
    Dimension appears to have this capability but my vast lack of knowledge on the subject of music creation means that I don't have the vocabulary to ask the right questions on what would be appropriate TO ask, if you follow my drift.
    All the information I find on music creation software assumes at least a working knowledge of the basics, which I lack.

    Since using AA1.5 as a host is iffy at best it looks as though an option would be to purchase Cakewalk and use it as my host app, yes?
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 12:05:02 (permalink)
    I write and produce commercials for radio and audio for TV voice overs and would like to get into creating custom music beds for my commercials.
    Sony Vegas 6 or better; hosting Dimension Pro.
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 13:16:09 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: b rock
    Sony Vegas 6 or better; hosting Dimension Pro.

    B...

    You're MEAN!!!

    Why don't you tell the poor guy to go buy a G5 (top of the line dual-processor model, fully loaded with 8GB of RAM, of course) and then get the $1k Logic Platinum edition! Now, that might be a suitable host for DP. I mean, DimPro. No, wait, I was right the first time...

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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 14:37:50 (permalink)
    Or does it require a host app in which to work?

    A standalone version wouldn't be such an outlandish FR. Doesn't the original Help file allude to a standalone version used for testing purposes? Would be nifty for using live too…
    post edited by Paradroid - 2005/12/08 14:38:48
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 14:45:18 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: BTQ1

    I am completely ignorant of music creation software, but I'm making an effort to educate myself and understand it.
    I write and produce commercials for radio and audio for TV voice overs and would like to get into creating custom music beds for my commercials.
    I was perusing the Cakewalk website when I came across information on Dimension.

    What I'd like to have is a program that contains the raw elements of music and will allow me to combine those elements into complete music beds.
    Dimension appears to have this capability but my vast lack of knowledge on the subject of music creation means that I don't have the vocabulary to ask the right questions on what would be appropriate TO ask, if you follow my drift.
    All the information I find on music creation software assumes at least a working knowledge of the basics, which I lack.

    Since using AA1.5 as a host is iffy at best it looks as though an option would be to purchase Cakewalk and use it as my host app, yes?


    What do you mean by raw elements of music? Like, how raw? Writing your own tunes as in creating all the notes and rhythms? Or laying down a bunch of premade audio loops together to make something? If the former, then you need a sequencer host first. Something like P5 or Sonar will do the trick. Dimension is just an instrument you can add to the sequencers.


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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 19:16:13 (permalink)
    Sorry, but I build my own computers and I don't do Mac...
    Here are my workstation specs:

    Workstation: D875PBZ-205/BIOS P34/3.0C/2x512 Mushkin Level One Black/ 2x512 Mushkin Black BH5(total 4x512)/eVGA 6600GT/Gina24 Soundcard/Maxtor 6B300SO/PleXwriter Premium/Plextor 716A/Logitech MX500/Antec 3700BQE
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 19:20:16 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: SuperGreenX

    [What do you mean by raw elements of music? Like, how raw? Writing your own tunes as in creating all the notes and rhythms? Or laying down a bunch of premade audio loops together to make something? If the former, then you need a sequencer host first. Something like P5 or Sonar will do the trick. Dimension is just an instrument you can add to the sequencers.


    The latter, as in taking premade audio to make something. That being said I would be interested in understanding how sequencers work, but I would need to learn the basics.
    post edited by BTQ1 - 2005/12/08 19:24:04
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 19:22:40 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: wgcabp


    ORIGINAL: b rock
    Sony Vegas 6 or better; hosting Dimension Pro.

    B...

    You're MEAN!!!

    Why don't you tell the poor guy to go buy a G5 (top of the line dual-processor model, fully loaded with 8GB of RAM, of course) and then get the $1k Logic Platinum edition! Now, that might be a suitable host for DP. I mean, DimPro. No, wait, I was right the first time...

    WC

    Sorry, but I build my own computers and I don't do Mac...
    Here are my workstation specs:

    Workstation: D875PBZ-205/BIOS P34/3.0C/2x512 Mushkin Level One Black/ 2x512 Mushkin Black BH5(total 4x512)/eVGA 6600GT/Gina24 Soundcard/Maxtor 6B300SO/PleXwriter Premium/Plextor 716A/Logitech MX500/Antec 3700BQE
    Sorry, but I build my own computers and I don't do Mac...
    Here are my workstation specs:

    A question:
    Why would getting Sony Vegas 6 or better be inappropriate? If it works, then for me it's an option.
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 19:25:38 (permalink)
    Pardon my sloppy posting, but I'm learning how this message board works. It's not a format that I am familiar with...
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 19:39:56 (permalink)
    Why would getting Sony Vegas 6 or better be inappropriate? If it works, then for me it's an option.
    I think that Will was just trying to protect your wallet a little. As for myself, I suggested Vegas because of the extensive audio implementation, and the fact that version 6 signaled support for VST/DX support. I figured if you were making some jack on commercials, then this really wasn't such a big hit; provided it were the right tool for you.

    I don't work with Vegas daily; I have more of a passing working knowledge of it from previous versions. Now, Dimension Pro: that's another story. Just get that; it could be just perfect for what you want to accomplish.
    As for Vegas: Let me see if I can con my Multimedia Specialist into dropping in. She can give you all the specifics.
    post edited by b rock - 2005/12/08 20:02:03
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    BTQ1
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 19:53:55 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: b rock

    Why would getting Sony Vegas 6 or better be inappropriate? If it works, then for me it's an option.
    I think that Will was just trying to protect your wallet a little. As for myself, I suggested Vegas because of the extensive audio implementation, and the fact that version 6 signaled support for VST(i)/DX(i) support. I figured if you were making some jack on commercials, then this really wasn't such a big hit; provided it were the right tool for you.

    I don't work with Vegas daily; I have more of a passing working knowledge of it from previous versions. Now, Dimension Pro: that's another story. Just get that; it could be just perfect for what you want to accomplish.
    As for Vegas: Let me see if I can con my Multimedia Specialist into dropping in. She can give you all the specifics.


    Please do have your MM specialist drop by. I'd appreciate it.
    As far as just getting Dimension Pro, I'd do that, but it seems to need a host, if I understand correctly.

    Really though, if I need to buy a host app, a sequencer AND Dimension I am prepared to do so. I just need information and advice on what would be the best configuration for what I wish to do.
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 20:06:36 (permalink)
    Please do have your MM specialist drop by. I'd appreciate it.
    I'd better do that. I don't want to steer you wrong with any implied or mistaken MIDI support that doesn't exist.
    Because of your video connection, you may want to look into what Sonar does for you. Depends on if you just need some rough sync, or more of the Vegas take on things.
    post edited by b rock - 2005/12/08 20:08:03
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 20:49:51 (permalink)
    Again, thanks.

    My primary goal is to create custom music beds that I can import into Audition. That's it, really.
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 20:55:11 (permalink)
    I do own Audition, I do not own Vegas.

    Audition will input DXi or VSTi effects, but will not host instruments, as far as I know. There is only basic midi (as in direcly to your soundcard), as far as I can tell. I do not think Dimension will work with Audition, as Audition is a sound manipulation program, not a sound creation program. Pretty sure the same is true of SoundForge.

    VST plug-in support -
    Expand your options with integrated support for third-party VST plug-ins ... (See Using plug-in effects.)

    Note it's only for effects.

    To think, at one time P5 was a $429 MSRP app.

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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 21:00:23 (permalink)
    The Vegas cavalry has been notified; due to arrive shortly. Just in time to save my ass.
    I've been told this is going to cost me, though. <g>
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 21:43:06 (permalink)
    I have Vegas, Sonar 5 PE, P5-2, And Dimension Pro. If you want to do custom music beds for video I would tend to suggest S5 with a Dimension Pro buy as well. The midi implementation is better in S-5. And while you are new to this you did express an interest in this area, S-5 studio could be an app to grow with. While Dimension is the software synth TO HAVE IMHO. Having the resources to back up all aspects of music creation at your disposal is nice. I primarily use Vegas as my go to Video/audio app. But being able to use Loops and software synths and tie this altogether is major nice. Vegas can be pressed into service in this area but I'll assume since you don't have it you use different apps to sequence video. Home studio is smaller and has less resources but can be had so cheep and an upgrade path is available for all cakewalk products. As a working pro you will undoubtly chose based on need and total access to those tools you will find useful. I forgot to mention Vegas does have top of the line loop tools but Sonar has come a long way toward meating that need and then some to the point it's hard to compair. I started with Sonar and got Vegas to do video.
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/08 23:07:23 (permalink)
    The latter, as in taking premade audio to make something... My primary goal is to create custom music beds that I can import into Audition. That's it, really.

    Vegas has VST plug-in effect support but Acid has both VST effect support with automation and tempo sync and VST instrument support

    You might want to look into Acid Music Studio 6 ($69.95 only one video track I believe) http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/products/showproduct.asp?PID=971&FeatureID=8329

    Acid Music Family Comparison
    Vegas Family Comparison

    If you're actually creating the video also...
    Vegas 6 and Acid Music Studio 5 for $265 (cheaper than the cost of Vegas 6 but no VST/DX support in Acid Music Studio 5 but... could then upgrade to Acid Music Studio 6 for $39 and still spend less than the cost of Vegas

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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/09 06:07:23 (permalink)
    Much food for thought, thanks all. I do appreciate it.
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/09 06:13:53 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: lawapa

    I have Vegas, Sonar 5 PE, P5-2, And Dimension Pro. If you want to do custom music beds for video I would tend to suggest S5 with a Dimension Pro buy as well. The midi implementation is better in S-5. And while you are new to this you did express an interest in this area, S-5 studio could be an app to grow with. While Dimension is the software synth TO HAVE IMHO. Having the resources to back up all aspects of music creation at your disposal is nice. I primarily use Vegas as my go to Video/audio app. But being able to use Loops and software synths and tie this altogether is major nice. Vegas can be pressed into service in this area but I'll assume since you don't have it you use different apps to sequence video. Home studio is smaller and has less resources but can be had so cheep and an upgrade path is available for all cakewalk products. As a working pro you will undoubtly chose based on need and total access to those tools you will find useful. I forgot to mention Vegas does have top of the line loop tools but Sonar has come a long way toward meating that need and then some to the point it's hard to compair. I started with Sonar and got Vegas to do video.


    OK, here is my ignorance rearing its ugly head: what is a "software synth"? And how does Dimension Pro differ from Sonar 5? I was under the impression that DP was a newer version of Sonar, just a new re-badged "Sonar 6".
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/09 06:43:03 (permalink)
    This program allows you to run Dimension as a standalone. See thisd thread for info

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=636980

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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/09 07:03:15 (permalink)
    OK, here is my ignorance rearing its ugly head: what is a "software synth"? And how does Dimension Pro differ from Sonar 5? I was under the impression that DP was a newer version of Sonar, just a new re-badged "Sonar 6".

    sonar 5 is an audio recorder and software sequencer and dimension pro is a software synth
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/09 11:23:36 (permalink)
    OT,

    but I have a Vegas 6 for sale. I won it at a Sony DV expo thing, but I already had it. I've been meaning to post about it.

    I'm willing to part with it cheap - about $300. I do want to keep the boris effects, since Sony wouldn't give me a key 'cause it will cost them actual money (I have a review copy).

    So, if you want to get into pro Audio/Video cheap - give me an email. Hengest@Juno.com That edress will be upgraded soon, but I'll keep checking it.

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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/09 16:23:28 (permalink)
    Dimension is a sample player extraordinare with the ability to use wavetables from anything. Kinda sorta like a software synth but a tad diff. Now you controll what Dimension does with Midi and this makes it different from like audio loops. Well if control is your thing Dimension has a lot of power in this area. If you learn how to use this it's a major step up from loops but this comes with a learning curve. I would use a loop in a song but I prefer the control I get using midi and Dimension. Audio loops are fast and easy but for total control and the widest possible range of choice, midi Inside P5-2 OR Sonar-5 gives you compositional control on a big scale. You are in effect the conductor of what ever type of orchestra you desire. But with this absolute control comes that curve I mentioned.
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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/09 18:57:24 (permalink)

    Audition is great for audio editing and mastering, but cannot route midi into a vst application.

    In multitrack view it can 'play' a vst with an imported midi track from a file,
    and can use any vst that accepts audio input as an effect although I am not shure if Dimension
    Pro will accept audio input??



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    RE: Is Dimension Pro a stand-alone application? 2005/12/09 19:13:16 (permalink)
    Not directly but any wave file can be loaded as an SFZ file. These are created in Notepad and would allow a wave file allready created to be used in Dimension. This is not real time audio but input mind you but ;)

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