dimension vs dimension pro

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2005/12/25 18:09:53 (permalink)

dimension vs dimension pro

so i just upgraded my project 5 to project 5 v2 just for dimension so i can see how i like it before going to dimension pro...

to be honest, i don't really like it all that much. i'm not really looking for the whole editing the synths and making my own sounds thing... i want more great quality pianos, basses, trumpets, guitars, drums, strings, harps, plus synth sounds, etc etc... am i gonna get what i'm looking for with dimension pro? i honestly like the sounds in Roland GrooveSynth (which comes with Sonar5) better, and in Dimension I was looking for an even BETTER version with more and higher quality sounds...

if not, any suggestions?

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    René
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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2005/12/25 18:39:19 (permalink)
    Some of the sounds you'll find in the Pro version of those you mentioned are Overdriven guitars, more Strings, Harp, woodwinds. However, if you like the sound s in Roland GrooveSynth better than the Project5 Dimension, I wouldn't really think Dimension Pro is what you're looking for.


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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2005/12/25 18:39:21 (permalink)
    We'll see what some other forum members have to say...but for me, I have to say that I think Dimension Pro is the best of both worlds. Excellent sounds and lots of them for those times when you just want to play, plus infinite tweakability for those who want to program a very deep synthesizer.

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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2005/12/25 18:54:55 (permalink)
    yea i wouldn't say that i'm upset that i bought p5v2 for dimension... i can certainly see it coming in handy at times. but some of the sounds are just "too much" you know what i mean... hell my speakers rattle from some of it, without any tweaking... come on!

    if anyone has any recommendations for me on what softsynths i might be more interested in, let me know... so far i've loved:

    Eridol VSC-1
    Cakewalk TTS-1
    Roland GrooveSynth

    which of course are the 3 that have come with various versions of Sonar. hell i also liked my old Yamaha SW60XG's built in sounds back in the day, and the general midi set in my old Soundblaster... i'm looking for that "idea" but better, and bigger, and more!

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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2005/12/25 19:09:00 (permalink)
    Those are great Roland synths for sure. They do wonders with a very small ROM set (I think the biggest of the three is 15MB).

    For the kind of sounds you describe, mostly based in short-looped samples, I suggest to use the version of the sfz that comes with SONAR 5, and hunt for free SoundFonts. You'll find plenty of those kind of sounds for free, without spending any money on those. Here's a thread which will get you started on where to look:

    http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28724&sid=083efa6b3cda3dd9ce4e897e19f1a365


    Hope this helps.
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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2005/12/25 19:23:21 (permalink)
    haha word. i have literally about 6 gigs of soundfonts... and i love them :-)

    actaully what i think i'm gonna do, is i've been messing with an old buggy version of vsampler2 for a long time... i dont really like sfz's interface as much, so i think i'm gonna finally shell out the cash and buy vsampler3 (hoepfully its a little less buggy) and take a couple days to make up my own new kit out of a couple hundred of those soundfonts... i've just been lazy lately and enjoyign the ease of just loading up tts1 or groovesynth and picking a sound by clicking it one time :-)

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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2005/12/26 00:17:41 (permalink)
    I got an email from MAZ. Christmas offer on christmas day? VS-3.5 for 29 euros plus sample sets to boot. I've had version 3 for a while now. As samplers go 3 seems stable and worthy. And I do like some of the content it came with. Of course I like the SFZ way of doing things And I do have Dimension pro. I'm kinda set as far as samplers go. But the sample disks I might jump on. Before Dimension, Vsampler worked well for me. I was kinda ticked with the regestration code thing but in this day and age anything short of Iloc/PACE seems OK. And well I got everything up and running fine. Vsampler has a front end that would allow you to tweak a raw sample set without a 2 track editor. it is not the best but it is functional. I've mapped using it and found it to be aceptable. This feature comes in handy if you wish to roll your own. Not everyone is so inclined but why cut yourself short? Ya never know till ya try right?

    But then again; Dimension Pro is a different animal. It's a sampler true, But I have not inserted a VSampler into Sonar since I got it. There is something about it that shines for me at least. I guess I love to tweak things in process to much. And dimension fits that bill to a tee. It's intergration into Sonar is perfect. And the sound-is so good. Best $99 I ever spent ;)+).
    post edited by lawapa - 2005/12/26 00:33:40

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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2005/12/26 01:55:09 (permalink)
    damn that upgrade price is only for people that own the version of vsampler 3 that came with sonar 3 (the only version of Sonar I never bought... lucky me :-)

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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2005/12/26 06:30:41 (permalink)
    Perhaps Plugsound is what you're looking for: http://www.ultimatesoundbank.com/usb/exec/plugsound

    Vol. 1 and 6 give you the instruments you want. The price for each volume is $ 99.-

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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2005/12/26 14:11:11 (permalink)
    hey DivarU

    those look really cool. do you just load those up in sonar like a dxi and then pick a sound and play with it with the keyboard (all like my lovely tts-1 and groovesynth)? if so these look like they rule!

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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2005/12/27 05:05:58 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: polarbear

    hey DivarU

    those look really cool. do you just load those up in sonar like a dxi and then pick a sound and play with it with the keyboard (all like my lovely tts-1 and groovesynth)? if so these look like they rule!

    Dave


    Yes, they come as a DXi or VSTi. There's also a free version: http://www.ultimatesoundbank.com/usb/exec/demo
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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2005/12/28 02:46:59 (permalink)
    I don't own Project V, so can't compare Dimension to Dimension Pro. I do have the latter, however, as well as all the Roland synths included in Sonar 5 (GrooveSynth, TTS-1 etc), and as far as I'm concerned, there is no contest between the GrooveSynth and Dim Pro. It's true that Dim Pro is loaded up with a lot of quirky/loud/zany/weird ambience sounds - but it's loaded up with pretty well everything. And the quality of the traditional instruments is very high. It has Garritan Pocket Orchestra, for one, so if you don't have Personal Orchestra, this mini version will be handy (and easier to use in Dim Pro than in GPO's regular NI interface, IMO).

    But it's not just the Garritan instruments; to my ears, I would venture to say that the other orchestral instruments included are similar in quality to Garritan, which is pretty high praise. (Of course, someone with keener, more discerning ears may differ.)

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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2005/12/28 21:29:56 (permalink)
    I won't differ metaprog. I have the SonicImplant strings mini, Nice set too. But Dimension brings to the table so many possibilities. The Pro version has such a nice varitity of usable sounds it's just a must have on this end. I wouldn't mind at all if GPO ported the whole set up to dimension. But what stopped me in my tracks was how much controll you can take just in the gui. This synth is a tweakers delight.
    post edited by lawapa - 2005/12/28 21:33:04
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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2005/12/29 17:06:09 (permalink)
    Hi all. I've just been promoted to MIDI/Sonar(4) sophomore this season (started 12/04). Santa brought me P5v2 just to get DPRO upgrade cheap (current TTS addict). Before I cross over to paradise, need to know which install/insert method is better, DXI or VST? (and why).

    You all seem well learned and I hope you can help,
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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2005/12/29 20:29:40 (permalink)
    My understanding is that, theoretically, DXi version should be a little faster and more efficient since that's directly supported in SONAR (I presume P5 is the same?). VST version runs the wrapper code first. I wonder if we could even tell the diff. Why not install both for mucho flexibility in applications?

    Have fun.

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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2006/01/01 00:21:55 (permalink)
    don't know but while i've finally starting liking my dimension (and will upgrade to dimension pro, just to stick with cakewalk products)... i went with divaru's recommendation and downloaded the demo version of plugsounds... and all i can say is WOW. some AWESOME, real, usable, normal sounds... a great spanish guitar sound, some awesome piano sounds, basses, strings, etc... really great stuff... as soon as i convince myself to spend 300 on the whole plugsound box i'm getting it!

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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2006/01/01 13:25:29 (permalink)
    These types of romplers like Plugsound, Sampletank, Sonicsynth, Atmosphere, Trilogy have a direct appeal as their soundsets are good and useable out of the box. They have their limitations but they serve a purpose. I prefer Dimension as it's open ended for my own tweakin. But for fast tracks and soundsets that are useable as is they are hard to beat. I have resisted the urge to buy into these as I like sample sets I can choose from the list of available offerings. But that is my preference and not everyones.
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    RE: dimension vs dimension pro 2006/01/01 16:41:41 (permalink)
    i can totally see where you'd want more tweakability like in dimension, but yea for me, the only thing that could make plugsounds any better is if it was multitimbral like tts-1 so i didn't have to keep loading instance after instance after instance of the vst for different sounds. oh well, i don't find myself having to go more than 5 or 6 anyway... and it does have a little tweakability, but not as much as dimension of course, and i doubt i'll ever even fiddle with a knob except for maybe take away a little reverb frmo some of the ones that are too crazy :-)

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