awilki01
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Is it lame to use presets? I find myself using many of Rapture's presets or slightly modifying them. I would just like to get a general consensus on what others think. Some of those presets are just inspiring to me...... Adam
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AT
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/12 01:02:50
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No, nothing wrong with just tweaking presets - but do tweak them just so you can sleep with yourself at night. Otherwise you'll wake up feeling all dirty in the morning. But seriously, if it works use it. That is the most important thing. You'd be surprized at those doing music for a living that just go with what the factory put on.
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JazzSinger
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/12 04:07:09
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That's the way most people work, and HAVE worked since synth manufacturers pre-loaded memories with presets to show what their synths were capable of. It was shortly after I got my DX7 that someone asked me, "so are you a player or programmer?". Even then, the two tasks were seen as distinct disciplines. Remember, to err is to be human; True, but for a complete cockup you need a computer!
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b rock
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/12 09:37:11
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I find myself using many of Rapture's presets or slightly modifying them. Nothing wrong with that, Adam. I don't think that anyone starts out thinking, "Hmm. I need a pulse waveform through a bandpass filter, then a slow attack & quick release in the amplitude EG." OK, so maybe Bob Moog did. Point is: if it sounds good to you, use it. Tweak it to customize it for your own unique slant, and to learn a bit more on how everything fits together. Synth 'manufacturers' assemble world-renowned sound design specialists to bring the best out in their creations. And that sells synths. So there's bound to be some really good stuff in there. Consider the talent pool. That's the way most people work, and HAVE worked since synth manufacturers pre-loaded memories with presets to show what their synths were capable of. Now within what JS stated there lies the only real 'danger' (if considered as such). A lot of people work this way, so you join a large group of individuals using the exact same resources. The end results start to sound very similar. That could be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on what you're after. It all can get to the point where you say to yourself, "This guy used such & such preset on this-or-that synth." Personally, I think that the line between "player and programmer" is starting to blur. And you can thank the soft-synth revolution for that.
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torhan
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/12 09:58:00
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I'm a proud preset user too.
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René
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/12 12:53:40
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Several top-notch sound designers have spent dozens of hours doing those patches. Please do use them! -René
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Frank@ProSounds
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/12 22:27:28
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Uhhh.......are you serious? There's nothing wrong with using presets at all! If there was, I wouldn't be able to make a living.
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Fiasco
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/12 23:08:27
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lawapa
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/12 23:23:01
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Yes I too find a well made preset to be a thing of beauty ;)+) and well, leave it to a pro to find all the best sweet spots in any synth. Just like I leave the synth making to Rene. (I couldn't code an address app) BTW- I find tweaking presets, the good ones that is. to be an excellent learing experiance. You can lean a lot from a pro. They do know all the best cpu saving tweaks ;)+)
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lost sheep
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/13 04:35:34
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Several top-notch sound designers have spent dozens of hours doing those patches. Please do use them! Any chance you can point them in this direction René... http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=746751
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triscuit
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/15 02:00:20
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I use presets sometimes and sometimes I'll start from scratch. The first thing I do is take off any transposition and either turn off effects or tone them down. The problem I have with most presets is that most are just modeled to sound really cool. That’s ok but usually I need them to fit a certain role. I wish someone would make a bunch of presets that were more like: Good for backup chords.... good for a melody......bells that don't hurt my ears.......pads without a 10 minute delay......... Alright I'm over-exaggerating but I really wish preset designers would be more intuitive and less abstract.
post edited by triscuit - 2006/04/15 02:08:44
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agincourtdb
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/15 02:42:48
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I feel no more need to make my own presets than I do to take a soldering iron to my trombone.
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kb420
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/15 06:11:51
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Just call me Captain Preset.
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Markus Copol
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/15 17:58:50
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me presets can make magic for me sometimes..
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jlgrimes
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/18 20:35:02
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I guess it depends more on a person's style of music whether he uses presets or not. I'd say for a style like techno, knowing how to program synths is crucial. For most pop styles though, I think presets work fine. But learning how to program sounds wouldn't hurt at all. Also I think the more synths you own, the more likely you will use presets, because a wide range of sounds is already available. But with one synth your urge to program increases.
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mumpcake
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/19 00:15:05
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ORIGINAL: awilki01 Is it lame to use presets? I find myself using many of Rapture's presets or slightly modifying them. I would just like to get a general consensus on what others think. Some of those presets are just inspiring to me...... I think it's lame to have a synth where you can't use the presets, or one where running through the presets doesn't inspire a bit of a song. Granted, it never hurts to be able to roll your own, because there isn't always overlap between the people who can write synths well and those who can write patches well.
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dougsyo
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/22 14:14:16
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ORIGINAL: JazzSinger It was shortly after I got my DX7 that someone asked me, "so are you a player or programmer?". Even then, the two tasks were seen as distinct disciplines. IIRC, the statistic was something like 80% of DX-7's returned for service had only the original sounds programmed in (admitted, FM programming + the DX7 interface didn't make the process easy). Doug
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THERAKED
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RE: Is it lame to.........
2006/04/22 16:54:45
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Being that I'm not a synth player and the fact that DP has so many presets, I doubt that I'll ever use anything but the presets, but who knows, as my knowledge grows, so may my desire to tweak.
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