greysight7
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vocal removal
I am working with sonar 2.0 xl and I have always wondered how to properly remove vocals from audio tracks I know theres a way but i want to know if any of you have a pride and true method. I am very confident that it can be done in sonar but how?
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yep
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RE: vocal removal
2004/03/10 11:09:24
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Sorry to say, it can't REALLY be done. It can, sometimes, SORT OF be done, if the vocal is panned straight up the middle of a stereo track. Those machines that supposedly remove vocals from your favorite songs actually just invert the phase of one side of the stereo signal, and then combine the two tracks (L and R) to create a single mono track, or sometimes some sort of "stereo" variant on the same technique. Anything that was panned dead center will now be cancelled out. This typically includes snare, kick drum, lead vocals, bass, and instrument solos. Any stereo effects that were on these instruments, such as chorus or reverb will still be present, so the lead vocal may still be apparent. Suffice to say, the resulting track is likely to be somewhat disappointing if you're expecting a perfect instrumental remix. But the good news is you can do this quite easily in Sonar, or any decent audio software. Just rip the stereo track as two seperate clips and then invert the phase of one of them, and mix them together. Any information that was identical on both sides (i.e. panned dead center) will be completely cancelled out. Try it and see how it works. Cheers.
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Maotar
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RE: vocal removal
2004/04/25 14:15:20
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It probably isn't possible , but can you do this the other way around, extracting vocals from a recording ??
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webs
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RE: vocal removal
2004/04/25 14:53:05
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can u give me a step by step cuz iam kinda slow
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yep
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RE: vocal removal
2004/04/25 17:22:53
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Okay, i can't really give detailed click-by-click instructions because my recording computer doesn't have any interweb, but here's the basic procedure and you can read the manual for details on the mechanics of each step. There are probably easiers ways to achieve this, but this is the most foolproof I can think of off the top of my head. 1. Split the original Stereo Track into two mono clips called "L1" and "R1". Clone those two clips and call them "L2" and "R2." You should now have four clips all set to play at the same time. If there are any other tracks in the project (such as the original stereo clip), mute them. 2. Reverse the phase of L2 and R2 (using the 'phase in/out' switch). When you play back all four clips at the same time you should now hear silence (because they cancel each other out). 3. Pan L1 hard left and R1 hard right (just like you would think they should be). Pan L2 hard right and R2 hard left, opposite of where they were originally. 4. When you play back all four tracks, they will basically cancel out anything that is exactly the same in both tracks (i.e. anything that was panned in the center). Bounce the project to a stereo clip (Maotar, you could just stop here and have your "instrumental track"). 5. Take the resulting stereo clip, call it "difference" and invert its phase. 6. Play back the phase-inverted "difference" clip along with the original and it will cancel out everything that was not panned center. Bounce those two to a new clip and you're done. It'll probably be some fizzy-sounding mix of vocals, kick, snare, and varying levels of anything else that panned in or near the middle. Again, this technique doesn't work on all tracks, and when it does work, it usually sounds pretty bad. You can play around with eq's, multiband compressors, whatever at differe3nt stages of the process if you like to try and get better results. Cheers and good luck.
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webs
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RE: vocal removal
2004/04/26 16:43:20
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how do i split wid sonar all it does is break off the track
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yep
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RE: vocal removal
2004/04/26 17:44:00
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I forget off the top of my head, but I know it can be done pretty easily. Check the index under "stereo tracks" or some such. Cheers.
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RE: vocal removal
2004/05/07 11:47:43
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Hi greysight7 - I wrote an article about this called Eliminating the Lead Vocal for issue 10 of DigiFreq. Hi Maotar - I also wrote an article called Extracting the Lead Vocal for issue 11 of DigiFreq. Anyone can get these issues for free at: http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/issues.asp Best regards, Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - Author of Cakewalk, Sound Forge and Sound Forge 6, SONAR, SONAR 2 and SONAR 3 Power! books. All books 30% off at: http://www.garrigus.com/ Publisher of DigiFreq. Win a free copy of Native Instruments' INTAKT software loop sampler and learn cool music technology tips and techniques by getting a FREE subscription to DigiFreq... over 15,000 readers can't be wrong! Go to: http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/
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Robomusic
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RE: vocal removal
2004/06/02 01:40:41
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The bottom line is that it really can not be done, sure you can invert and shave the wave file down but you lose much of the other mix vocals are never completely down the middle and even if they are so is some of the other tracks so you lose a lot Look at it this way try and remove the eggs from an chocolate cake
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RE: vocal removal
2004/06/21 02:19:27
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Oh one more thought, if you want the vocals only try to google for accapellas you might get lucky, if you want the music only grab a midi file on the net and run it thru a good softsynth and you go it!!
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bliprules
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RE: vocal removal
2005/10/23 20:18:06
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Does and ony know of a trail sofware that i can use to do this? It must be able to save ans be able to compleat the changes that allow the background music to be removed.
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simeon
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RE: vocal removal
2005/10/25 12:21:59
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The folks over at Clone Ensemble have just released a plug in to do just that. It's called "Voice Trap" and listening to the demos it is pretty amazing. They do have an evaluation download but instead of removing the vocal it isolates it so you can see how effective it would be in removing the same from a song. You can find out more here. http://www.cloneensemble.com/
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sifidis
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RE: vocal removal
2010/04/16 16:28:40
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But the good news is you can do this quite easily in Sonar, or any decent audio software. Just rip the stereo track as two seperate clips and then invert the phase of one of them, and mix them together. Any information that was identical on both sides (i.e. panned dead center) will be completely cancelled out. Try it and see how it works. Cheers. hey, i just intalled voice trap but cant launch it. any help? which is the command in sonar i can get it in hands with? thx.
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BretB
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RE: vocal removal
2010/04/16 17:33:03
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Adobe Audition does a pretty impressive job of it. I don't know if they have a trial version. I was impressed on some songs that I thought might be impossible.
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Re:vocal removal
2010/04/16 22:15:37
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greysight7 I am working with sonar 2.0 xl and I have always wondered how to properly remove vocals from audio tracks I know theres a way but i want to know if any of you have a pride and true method. I am very confident that it can be done in sonar but how? I find it's best to keep the singer as far from the mic as possible? This does a pretty good job of removing the vocals.
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CJaysMusic
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Re:vocal removal
2010/04/17 00:05:27
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This thread is almost 7 years old.   LOL
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bdickens
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Re:vocal removal
2010/04/17 11:56:04
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Thread necromancy.
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