Latency and USB Sound Cards

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2006/06/26 21:55:35 (permalink)

Latency and USB Sound Cards

I recently purchased Music Creator 3.0 and am relatively new to midi, etc.

Using the sound card built into my Dell Desktop (Soundmax Digital Audio), there is an unacceptable latency when playing my midi keyboard through the computer and it is impossible to record multiple tracks in sync.

I was advised to obtain and MAudio (or equivalent) PCI sound card. Unfortunately, my PC will not fit a full size PCI card (one of those "slim-line" models!).

Thus, I am considering purchaasing a USB sound card like the MAudio USB Audiophile (which I believe is a USB 1.0 device?) or the recently introduced E-Mu USB 0202 device (if it has started being sold yet).

I am afraid of running into the latency issue again, especially with USB-connected devices. Any advice and/or experience here? I've been told to stay away from USB devices, but maybe USB 2.0 is OK and has enough bandwidth?

Thanks for any suggestions.



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    RE: Latency and USB Sound Cards 2006/06/27 07:13:20 (permalink)
    I do not like USB for many reasons, but I have been succesful at obtaining reasonable latency (<10msec) using a Sound Blaster External Live USB on my laptop and it's not even a 2.0 device. But I don't use it for my primary recording, it's only used when I need to be portable.

    If the EMU0202 is truly a 2.0 device, then you should get much better performance out of it than you would any device out there that I know about right now. All of the USB devices I have researched say that they are "compatible" with 2.0, but that doesn't really and truly tell you that the device is 2.0 compliant since 1.1 devices are always "compatible" with 2.0 protocol since they are required to be backward compatible.

    If you must go with an external device, can you use firewire? it is much better for audio work. there are probably firewire pci cards which will fit into the shorter slots available if that's an option for you.

    Mainly - stay away from the Tascam US-122. There are numerous threads on these forums dealing with problems releated to that card. Some have gotten it to work, but I would not take the chance. Also, it's not on CW's 'recommended' list. Here's my standard reply for sound card advice:

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    sound card advice
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=771692
    http://www.cakewalk.com/support/kb/kb2005273.asp
    http://www.cakewalk.com/tips/audiohw.asp

    Note however, that I do NOT recommend the following (other users will disagree with me, and that's OK)
    * NOTHING from SoundBlaster
    * NOTHING USB based
    * Especially NOT the Tascam US-122


    Platform in order of best interface:
    1) PCI
    2) PCMCIA (probably a TIE, really)
    3) FIREWIRE 800
    4) USB 2.0
    5) FIREWIRE 400
    6) USB 1.1

    Actually, the last three on the list I would not recommend as a primary system. Secondary, yeah, maybe.

    Having said all that, I *DO* use a Soundblaster LIVE! External on my laptop (both USB and SB card!) But it's only used rarely when I need portability and normally use my M-Audio Delta 44 on my Desktop DAW. The SB Live Ext. does well for what I paid for it and what I use it for, but notice that it's NOT my primary A/D converter - but it's my SECONDARY.


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