Rapture Prog Central

I started a new thread as to not take away from awiki01's posting [here] offering his excellent collection of Rapture patches [found here]. Some questions there inspired other lines of thought, and one would be where to place Rapture program sets and related data for easy, centralized accessibility. I'd like to open that up for discussion here, as well as address some specifics from that thread.

Lawapa & I have been utilizing Project5.com for Rapture-related items. It's not really set up for that. I know that [Cakewalk] as an organization has a lot on its plate, and have promised to work towards a central upload depository at a future date. In the meantime, it appears that end users have had Rapture long enough now to have collected quite a few custom patches, and many seem to want to share those with other end users.

There's a few problems here. One, the Rapture-related files are going to get lost in the shuffle by uploading them all over the 'net. I've looked into utilizing the Project5 Wiki, yet the spirit of the agreement there implies uploading image-type files that accompany information-based articles. (Perhaps Techead can help me out here.) A easily found page of links might be the answer to this, and I'd be willing to put the elbow grease to that idea.

Still, a Project5-centric site might not be the place that people would tend to look, especially given the potential influx of Mac users around the bend. Dimension Pro is an upgrade from a synth originally offered in Project5, so that's closer to a logical progression. The same argument doesn't apply to Rapture, and brings up placement of files at Project5.com again. No direct links; you must sign up for an account. I suppose that's no different than other music-related sites, but this should be as painless as possible. There's no 'slot' for Rapture there.

So, what's the game plan here, folks? Open to any and all opinions & discussion.

sets from b rock and Frank at ProSounds are going to have to be rocking. When will we see them? (And guys - don't be afraid to demand payment

Nothing like setting the bar high, Rick. Let's just say that they're intriguing, and I'll let others judge the quality or usefulness. I haven't concentrated exclusively on 'bread and butter' patches; I'm more into 'pushing the envelope', in a manner of speaking. Others have the emulations well-covered.

don't be afraid to demand payment ... You might find that putting a monetary value on your soundsets makes you work harder at excellence.

Not really. Personally, I need to learn to let a patch go when it's reasonably complete. The same level of intensity goes into commercial work & freebies alike. I know that Frank@ProSounds alluded to a free Rapture set when time permits, and he's already posted a few individual patches. Myself, I think that there's room for both paid and unpaid work. At the very least, it's a loss leader. [Think Doom shareware model.] At its best, it becomes an in-kind donation, which hopefully encourages others to give something of themselves and not just 'take' all the time.

Okay, and they are.....(where)?

Back to the original question posed above. I have ... OK, way too many Rapture patches for personal use. Unfortunately (for distribution purposes), most of those use custom configurations: user-defined LFOs, manipulated samples; features geared to work on my system. With a central depository, I could point to the required files and perhaps an explanation of how they were assembled, and to what end.

Now there's other patches here that have been earmarked for specific destinations, or are too narrow for broad application. Many utilize the entire MIDI spec for the ultimate in control. Those stay here. The patch set that I referred to in the original thread is a set of 64 patches that I put together in spare evening time this past week. Those use common controller messages that many end users would have at their disposal. They still 'push the envelope', but have been made specifically for general compatibility, and remain separated from the the potential problems that I've alluded to.

You'll like the package price. Yet the question remains: put them where?

Thanks for the kind comments regarding my Rapture programs, Tom, but I think you are being a bit too nice :)


I was thinking about starting a website of my own once I get more songs done. The same thing could be done for a Rapture centric site. GoDaddy.com has some good webhosting prices. If several people pitch in a dollar or two, we could do something cool with it. With all the other forums we go to, we could spread the word and just ask for donations to keep the site up. It's only about $5/month or so...

Ideally, Cakewalk would set something up. Native Instruments has things like this setup for Absynth and it is a good selling point if you ask me.

We could also do a Yahoo groups thing or something else that is free (ugh). I only have 15meg free space from my ISP; otherwise, I would have no issues hosting them..

ORIGINAL: awilki01
We could also do a Yahoo groups thing or something else that is free (ugh). I only have 15meg free space from my ISP; otherwise, I would have no issues hosting them..

I work at an ISP and a computer consultancy. That is where my Technetos site is hosted and why I can get by with obscene amounts of disk-space and custom programming with personally no costs. I may be able to help in the effort to find a way to host Rapture programs.

ORIGINAL: techead

ORIGINAL: awilki01
We could also do a Yahoo groups thing or something else that is free (ugh). I only have 15meg free space from my ISP; otherwise, I would have no issues hosting them..

I work at an ISP and a computer consultancy. That is where my Technetos site is hosted and why I can get by with obscene amounts of disk-space and custom programming with personally no costs. I may be able to help in the effort to find a way to host Rapture programs.

Great! Let me know if I can help in any way.

I can provide a temporary (final?) webspace for this, in case you guys need it. Just email me.


-René

Hey, thanks for the mentions guys.

I'm actually working on the freebie Rapture/Dimension Pro Additive Set after the holiday next week. I already have the 17 multisampled instruments in SFZ format....just have to find some time to make presets for each synth with them. I'm going offline tomorrow to do some studio maintenence, and a disk defrag session....so afterwards I can work more on getting it out.

Rene, it's around 320 megabytes, the final set....would you or the bakers be able to host that? I don't have the bandwidth between ToTc Productions and T3 (I'm already up to 30 or 40 gig a month! ).

Also, I've convinced NSL to let me do 128 presets for Rapture to include with their upcoming Viral Outbreak Volume 1. Dimension Pro presets might follow.....I just only have so much time, and I figured the classic wavetable featured in the set would be all kinds of fun inside of Rapture. So, it won't be the 500+ presets that the Wusik version of the set will come with, but it'll be a little more incentive to go for SFZ.

Peace

No wave files? OK What if I did all my stuff directly from the Dpro sample sets? Then I could write my sfz's pointing to a Dpro file. Not everyone has Rapture and Dpro. While I'd never understand why (hint; get em both and don't forget z3ta either)

It might even be better to use // And then describe the sample from the Dpro folder?

No wave files? OK What if I did all my stuff directly from the Dpro sample sets?

We're just experimenting to get something rolling, Larry. There's no reason that you couldn't include references and/or custom wavfiles in a patch set. As you said, those requiring DP would have to be documented as such. I was just trying to keep things *light* myself to ease into this. I left out stuff like the Rapture Acoustic Guitar and the complete 'band' patches that borrow from DP. Doesn't mean everyone has to.

Hey, we might even progress to that embedded .wavfile feature in Sfz 2.0 that's waiting to be utilized extensively. What do you say, Larry? You can assemble what you'd like in one .zip file and document the readme basics that'll help a new user out. Or I can pick from some of the excellent stuff that you've sent to me (I'd rather that you selected your own choices, though). Test them again, then e-mail me (the 'new' address), or maybe René, with the complete package set for starters.

We toss in Adam's set (with his permission & a brief explanation included), and we've got the basis for something of a beginning. It's always the most difficult part to get something rolling, and then it gets easier to build from that foundation. Anyone else holding?

We do need a specific focused Rapture destination with tips, tutorials, patches, programs, etc

Baby steps, Rick. This is just at the grassroots stage at the moment, but it *is* underway. I'll start yet another thread for some specifics, so that the ideas can continue to be hashed out here. Let's see if we can't all get something moving in the right direction.

You would have to reference them with a Wiki directive like this within a page: [[media:rapture_prog.zip|A custom Rapture program]]

Bob, I could use some Wiki-ssistance when you get time. I have a page under construction, a test (image) file uploaded, and yet I can't seem to nail the correct syntax. I can't link externally, either, though I prefer to embed the images. I keep RTFM, but there's still something that I'm missing. I'm using [[Image:AP_Figure01.jpg|frame|none|Figure 1]] and all the variations, rather than Media: (which I also can't lock in). Please bear with me.

I'm going to hold off on the remaining uploads until we cross paths; it may be something in the unique filenames that I can change. In the meantime, I'll try to finish the main body of the article around placeholders. As you can see below, the file *is* up. You'll see the page and description under the Special: Imagelist page. Thanks in advance; here's the 'thumbnail' version:



Edit: Image updated to current location.

Oh man this is getting good. Won't be long and that wiki site is gonna take off big time

ORIGINAL: b rock
We toss in Adam's set (with his permission & a brief explanation included), and we've got the basis for something of a beginning.

Sure, you can throw in what I gave out earlier. What kind of explanation do you need?

ORIGINAL: b rock
Edit: You just knew that i wouldn't do the prudent thing and wait. Let's see if my head's screwed on straight this time. It barked at the file sizes, but I based those on deliverable detail and Mike's guideline of 1024 X 768 at 24 bits. OK, so maybe I went a little tall on some of them. I'll try to keep the sizes under 100K from here on out. Thanks, Bob.

Its a rule just made to be broken....

Edit 2: OK <thinking aloud in a disturbing turn of events>, so if I upload locally, and see the images displayed in my edit, then save the edit, why would the images still turn up MIA after a refresh? I'm beginning to think that the lightning affected more than just the surrounding area ...

If you use the special "Image List" page ( http://p5.sonarama.com/p5/index.php/Special:Imagelist ) from the special pages menu you can see links to all the images that have been uploaded. In date order the images you just uploaded should be listed at the top if all went well. Once they are listed in the "database" then all you have to do is link to them with the wiki markup.

Edit 3: An underscore isn't necessarily a space, unless you count the one between my ears. The file names were modified automatically by Wiki convention, and a lesson was learned.

Yep...the wiki is funny that way .

Thanks for all the effort you put into that tutorial, Tom. That is a lot of hard work and generosity!

Rapture now has a dedicated site Thanks Bob, Tom, David, Rich, Rene, Chad. A lot of hard work went into this I must assume. And to all who contibute I thank you for the effort. A resource for all who endevor to use Rapture to it's potiential.

http://p5.sonarama.com/p5/index.php/Rapture

See the post above mine

There was a great Rapture area on the Project5 Wiki, but the Wiki got nailed by Internet bandits looking to destroy things--alas, it didn't hold up and now the Wiki is dead.

However, due to some of the cross-over content between Project5 and SONAR, I copied all of the virtual instrument sections from the Project5 Wiki to the SONAR Wiki, so the Rapture info lives on there.  Unfortunately, the great idea of Patch sharing has not taken a strong hold so there is very little in the way of patch content on the SONAR Wiki.  You might also try the Rapture area of Patch Arena for some patch content because when Cakewalk shutdown the Project5 development and its web site they gave Chad Beckwith (formerly an employee with Cakewalk who now runs the Patch Arena online community) copies of all the user-contributed content from the old www.project5.com web site and he has now posted it at Patch Arena. 

SONAR User Wiki
Patch Arena