Quick Peak Finder Tool?

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2006/07/02 22:00:23 (permalink)

Quick Peak Finder Tool?

Is there a tool in Sonar 5.2 to quickly find peaks in a WAV without having to play through the file?

Short of that, anyone know of a plug-in to accomplish this?

Thanks.

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    glazfolk
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    RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2006/07/04 03:11:52 (permalink)
    Bump ... anyone? I'd be interested to know if there is something out there that does this ...
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    RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2006/07/04 04:05:17 (permalink)
    May be this can help:
    Right-click on a track, choose "Show Peak Marker"
    Play through the song
    Right-click on the numeric value on the right side of the track (over the fx-bin)
    Choose: Goto Peak

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    RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2006/07/04 04:35:24 (permalink)
    Thanks Helge, yes that works, but what would interest me - and I think this is what javahut is also after - is some plugin that would zip along and almost instantly find the peak for the track without you having to play through it first.

    Best,
    Geoff
    post edited by glazfolk - 2006/07/04 04:45:41
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    RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2006/07/04 05:13:18 (permalink)
    it's surprising sonar doesn't highlight overs in the peak file anyway, can't see a reason for not highlighting them really.

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    RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2006/07/04 05:32:53 (permalink)
    Well that fooled me! When I saw daverich in the post column I triumphantly exclaimed, "Here come the answer!"

    Got me there Dave!
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    RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2006/07/04 08:18:43 (permalink)
    You can't avoid the "wait". The only solution would be to have Sonar scan the file for peaks each time it is changed. Sonar would seriously bog down your hard drive with all the file scanning if this method were implemented. What we have now is the best trade-off IMO.

    As far as plugins go, they only can process what the host app is sending them. So there is no solution on that end either.

    Finding a peak requires scanning the entire wave file each time a destructive edit takes place. This wouldn't be a problem with small clips, but may become a serious PITA for those who use bigger clips.

    Perhaps these are options that could be added to Sonar:

    A) Update peaks after destructive edits.
    B) "Scan for peaks" on right click menu.

    post edited by WhyBe - 2006/07/04 08:58:15
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    RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2006/07/04 08:32:28 (permalink)
    Thanks for this, yes it makes a lot of sense, I understand what you see.

    But it would still be nice to have a plug in which could be placed in selected tracks which could be activated to scan that track when required (not all the time) and highlight the peak. Maybe an impossible dream, but very useful.
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    RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2006/07/04 08:45:20 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: glazfolk

    Thanks for this, yes it makes a lot of sense, I understand what you see.

    But it would still be nice to have a plug in which could be placed in selected tracks which could be activated to scan that track when required (not all the time) and highlight the peak. Maybe an impossible dream, but very useful.


    Not a plugin, but, perhaps a "right-click" feature in Sonar that would immediately scan the clip for a peak.

    What's the purpose though? Tracks aren't going to clip anyway.
    post edited by WhyBe - 2006/07/04 09:00:00
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    RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2006/07/04 09:51:50 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: WhyBe

    ORIGINAL: glazfolk

    Thanks for this, yes it makes a lot of sense, I understand what you see.

    But it would still be nice to have a plug in which could be placed in selected tracks which could be activated to scan that track when required (not all the time) and highlight the peak. Maybe an impossible dream, but very useful.


    Not a plugin, but, perhaps a "right-click" feature in Sonar that would immediately scan the clip for a peak.

    What's the purpose though? Tracks aren't going to clip anyway.


    good point.

    Kind regards

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    RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2006/07/04 10:00:24 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: WhyBe
    Not a plugin, but, perhaps a "right-click" feature in Sonar that would immediately scan the clip for a peak.

    What's the purpose though? Tracks aren't going to clip anyway.


    Yes, right-click feature would be good. Not just for clipping, but to find the peak quickly without having to play the whole song.
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    RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2006/07/04 12:26:28 (permalink)
    Sound Forge has this, under Tools - Find...
    Perhaps the entire process is not exactly quick after transfering the track to sound forge, but it may be faster than playing through the whole song.

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    RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2006/07/04 16:24:19 (permalink)
    Another important point:

    Unless this process goes "through" the plugins on the clips and tracks, it will essentially be lying to you. For example, a normalized clip isn't necessarily "normalized" during playback. It all depends on whats going on with the plugins.
    post edited by WhyBe - 2006/07/04 16:39:22
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    RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2006/07/04 17:50:15 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: ericzang

    Sound Forge has this, under Tools - Find...
    Perhaps the entire process is not exactly quick after transfering the track to sound forge, but it may be faster than playing through the whole song.


    Thanks Eric,

    I appreciate the tip, but unfortunately it isn't really going to give me what I'm looking for here, for two reasons:

    First, if I have to load up Sound Forge and export the file there, it rather defeats the objective of finding the peak quickly.
    Second, as Whybe points out, if I take it into SF, the effects of any plugins like Compressor or EQ won't be included in the evaluations.

    But thanks for letting me know this, it could be useful at times.

    Best,
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    RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2006/07/04 22:38:25 (permalink)
    Yeah... It would really be most useful if you could scan through a track post fader if you wanted, and locate the peak. Would be super cool if you could scan through a bus post fader, too. Kind of like a fast bounce... except you would just be looking for the peak location on the output of the fader.
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    Re: RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2017/05/20 21:25:41 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: glazfolkWhat's the purpose though? Tracks aren't going to clip anyway.

    Wait, whadaya mean?  Why woulndt a track clip?
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    Re: RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2017/05/20 22:09:27 (permalink)
    In Sonar 32 bit or 64 bit floating point math doesn't clip.

    Best
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    Re: RE: Quick Peak Finder Tool? 2017/05/20 23:36:45 (permalink)
    Bounce to tracks... use your eyes... play through momentary peaks to see how high they get.

    This is a good way to not only see peaks but to see areas of the song with lower peaks.

    It helps to see average volume and levels by frequency too, but to do that in Sonar you really do need to play back while watching meters.

    For people with partial hearing loss, average volume of left and right channels measured independently is also useful.

    Depending on your instrument panning, you could have more left channel peaks than right, but more average volume in the right. Then, limiting those left channel peaks might increase the left/right average volume disparity as the volume of both are raised but the limiting largely impacts only left.

    For average volume measures, I use the DigiCheck EBU meter. Any EBU would do.

    If you want peak measures to be channel independent, bounce to mono tracks and pan left and right. Then solo them together for playback through the obvious peaks... Sonar will measure peaks on the channels independently.

    Once you have an EBU meter, you can use the old solo frequency range trick with multiple buses and the Multiband compressors to measure the average amount of frequency for various ranges. I don't do this much, but you could. I usually just watch a spectral analyzer... sometimes channel specific.

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