ChrisConnell
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Widescreen Monitor Question
Hello folks, For Sonar 6PE (at my home), I'm thinking about replacing a 19 inch CRT monitor with a 20 inch widescreen LCD. Here's my problem / question. At my office, I have a Dell 2405FPW 24" Widescreen. I don't watch widescreen movies on it, I bought it because I just wanted more screen real estate. It doesn't seem to work out that way. Instead of giving me more area, all my programs & icons are stretched to fill the screen. So, on a normal aspect monitor, if I have a console window open in Sonar, say for example at 1024 x 768, about 11 channel/bus strips are visible. Would a widescreen monitor (at the same resolution) allow more strips to be visible, or will it squash & stretch the console to fill the screen? Normal aspect ratio Example: Would a widescreen monitor give me something like this?: Or would it just stretch the image like this: Can someone who uses both normal & wide aspect monitors advise me please? Thanks in advance, Chris
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/08 16:09:31
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It can do either depending on the driver/monitor configuration; at least my 23WS does both. I choose to run at 1600x1200 res and see more tracks instead of just having wider tracks.
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/08 16:24:44
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ORIGINAL: scook It can do either depending on the driver/monitor configuration; at least my 23WS does both. I choose to run at 1600x1200 res and see more tracks instead of just having wider tracks. Yes, it all has to do with the resolution, if the resolution is set to more the 1024 (like 1600) you should be able to see more channels on the screen. Same the other way if you go from 768 to 1200 you will see more up and down. The catch is that objects will get smaller unless the size of the screen is larger then what you are using 1024 x 768 on. So it can get hard to use.
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ChrisConnell
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/08 17:26:18
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Hi Frank, . . .if the resolution is set to more the 1024 (like 1600) you should be able to see more channels on the screen I realize this, it is the same principle as a non widescreen monitor. I guess I'm asking if the aspect ratio remains true? i.e. does a circle look like a circle or an oval on your widescreen? On this Dell 24" I'm typing on, whether at 1024x768, 1280x1024, 1600x1200, - circles, pictures, well everything is still oblong. Thanks again, chris
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/08 17:32:17
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ORIGINAL: ChrisConnell Hi Frank, . . .if the resolution is set to more the 1024 (like 1600) you should be able to see more channels on the screen I realize this, it is the same principle as a non widescreen monitor. I guess I'm asking if the aspect ratio remains true? i.e. does a circle look like a circle or an oval on your widescreen? On this Dell 24" I'm typing on, whether at 1024x768, 1280x1024, 1600x1200, - circles, pictures, well everything is still oblong. Thanks again, chris No, things will not deform, it's not like TV where a source of a fixed size is "streached", with a computer and LCD monitor all that content is dynamic, Windows doesn't care what "shape" your monitor is, it only knows what resolution it can display at. With a wide monitor you just have more dots across that's all.
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/08 18:29:35
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As long as your video card supports the max resolution you want, you should have no probelm. My dad has one of those 20" Dell widescreen flatpanels and it came with software/drivers to give you the correct aspect ratio. It should do as you want it to, since when he turns his screen to vertical it doesnt stretch images, but rather gives all windows more vertical depth view. He bought it to accomidate his graphic design business, i.e. he can view entire portrait doc's while stille zoomed in. Every program I've used on it accomidtates just the same. Like for example I can fit more tool windows on screen in Photoshop as compared to my 19" (super bubble) CRT. Also if your 24" dell is stretching images it would be because your missing correct drivers/software or because of video card limitations. Ever tried messing with the resolution in properties to find a windscreen one? Theres the possiblity that someone selected the wrong setting. Example: my dads gives 1200x____ res and 1200x____ res, one of which is formatted for widescreen.
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ChrisConnell
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/08 21:21:09
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. . . if your 24" dell is stretching images . . . Yes, it is stretching images. It's ridiculous trying to look at a photograph. Everyone has fat faces, including Frank. The graphics card is almost 5 years old, so maybe at home with a more modern card a wide monitor won't exhibit that behavior. Thanks for everyone's help! Chris
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/08 22:34:00
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ORIGINAL: ChrisConnell . . . if your 24" dell is stretching images . . . Yes, it is stretching images. It's ridiculous trying to look at a photograph. Everyone has fat faces, including Frank.  The graphics card is almost 5 years old, so maybe at home with a more modern card a wide monitor won't exhibit that behavior. Thanks for everyone's help! Chris LOL ! well... check to see what the native resolution of the monitor is and set the video card to do that if it can, that should fix it.
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/08 23:05:45
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Chris, It looks like your video card only supports 4:3 aspect ratios(i.e.1024x768). For the image to display properly on the widescreen you would want to see something like 1280x768. The stretching is because your new screen size isn't supported by your video card, as mentioned above. At least suitable video cards are getting pretty inexpensive.
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ChrisConnell
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/09 06:51:40
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Ok. I'm guessing it's the old vid card. It only supported the 3 resolutions I listed above. However, I chickened out on the way home from work last night (before I read the later posts here), and bought a Samsung 20" non widescreen monitor. I'm tempted to put it alongside the existing 19" CRT but I won't. That old CRT is a desk hog! Thanks to you folks, I can feel more confident about a later purchase of a widescreen LCD monitor to complement it. Chris out.
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ChrisConnell
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/09 16:18:01
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However, I chickened out on the way home from work last night (before I read the later posts here), and bought a Samsung 20" non widescreen monitor. Update. Un-chickened out (on my way to work this morning) & purchased a Samsung 23" widescreen. I guess I'll be configuring monitors this weekend. If I'm happy with the widescreen, I'll just slap myself for not getting two.
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/09 17:59:32
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All nVidia FX cards (and above) support custom resolutions.
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/09 19:14:38
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ORIGINAL: ChrisConnell Can someone who uses both normal & wide aspect monitors advise me please? i just went from a 17" to a 20" widescreen. the dell monitor you have at work has a native resolution of 1920x1200. unless your display settings are set to this resolution you won't get the screen real estate you are looking for and unless it's set to a 16:10 ratio resolution it will be stretched as well. my 20" widescreen has a native resolution of 1680x1050 but didn't configure itself that way out of the box (thanks to some goof with nvidia drivers and my dell's quadro nvs card) so for several days it was stretched. once i downloaded dell's latest video driver update for my card i got the resolution i was supposed to get. it was a definite step up from 1280x1024 and i got a lot more horizontal real estate out of it. before you do anything check the specs on your new LCD and the windows display settings. make sure you can set the monitor to its native resolution and if not download the latest driver from your computer manufacturer for the video card you have. for a custom-built box get the latest nvidia/matrox/ati driver.
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/10 11:53:35
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I purchased a 32" monitor as a third monitor it helps seeing it big, but I needed more space;
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/10 15:08:11
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I got my eye on the new Dell 89" . Seriously, they keep making these things bigger.
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/10 15:09:34
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I got my eye on the new Dell 89" . Seriously, they keep making these things bigger.
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ChrisConnell
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/10 15:40:25
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the dell monitor you have at work has a native resolution of 1920x1200 Got it Jack, 16:10 ratio resolution - that's the key. At least I know now that a widescreen monitor should look better if configured properly. At the office, I can only get the old video card from 2001 to max out at 1280 X 1024. Hence the stretched out look. NVIDIA GForce2 MX 400 (Gateway). I remember downloading & installing the latest NVIDIA driver available when I bought the monitor, but the update kept BSOD'ing me. So I reverted back to my original driver. I always do a System Restore Save before driver & major software updates. This morning at home, I unboxed the Samsung 20" & 23" widescreen, and set them up next to each other. Looks pretty sweet. Spent most of yesterday on the Matrox forums cause at home I have a fairly old G-550 dual head. When I get home, I'm gonna plug it all up and see what I get. I have bios & driver updates available if I want them. I'll just see how far I get with what I got. May need to upgrade the vid to a P- series dual head. Chris
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/10 17:49:45
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ORIGINAL: ChrisConnell Got it Jack, 16:10 ratio resolution - that's the key. At least I know now that a widescreen monitor should look better if configured properly. At the office, I can only get the old video card from 2001 to max out at 1280 X 1024. Hence the stretched out look. NVIDIA GForce2 MX 400 (Gateway). 2001 computer + 24" widescreen monitor...  tell your boss you need a video card manufactured in the last couple years or so. =) I remember downloading & installing the latest NVIDIA driver available when I bought the monitor, but the update kept BSOD'ing me. So I reverted back to my original driver. I always do a System Restore Save before driver & major software updates. This morning at home, I unboxed the Samsung 20" & 23" widescreen, and set them up next to each other. Looks pretty sweet. Spent most of yesterday on the Matrox forums cause at home I have a fairly old G-550 dual head. When I get home, I'm gonna plug it all up and see what I get. I have bios & driver updates available if I want them. I'll just see how far I get with what I got. May need to upgrade the vid to a P- series dual head. don't know about the matrox but most cards manufactured in the last two to three years will do widescreen resolutions with updated drivers. i imagine your GeForce2 card was just too old to work with the latest nvidia drivers. a 20" and a 23"... have fun.
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/10 19:14:37
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My HD TV is 27" and runs the PC at resolution of 1920x1200. Aspect ratio is pretty accurate. Works really well. This plus a couple monitors and real estate is not an issue.
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/13 09:18:26
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Eric: What's the exact model of your 27"? Corey
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ChrisConnell
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/14 15:55:18
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Hey Jack . . . tell your boss you need a video card manufactured . . . Nah! He would just say, "Oh you must need a new computer, why haven't you ordered one?" He insisted I purchase this Dell monitor. I was perfectly happy with an NEC Multisync 21" (circa 1995). But I think it was hard on his eyes (although he only shows up about once a month). That monitor is back in a junk room gathering dust. Anyway, at home, the Samsung 20" & 23" monitors are working perfectly after a little vid card tweaking. Plus, here at work, I reinstalled the latest NVIDIA drivers for the GeForce vid card again. No blue screens this time. Many more resolutions and ratios available for the Dell. So now I know what a widescreen is supposed to look like. Chris
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RE: Widescreen Monitor Question
2006/11/14 18:31:32
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ORIGINAL: ChrisConnell Hey Jack . . . tell your boss you need a video card manufactured . . . Nah! He would just say, "Oh you must need a new computer, why haven't you ordered one?" He insisted I purchase this Dell monitor. I was perfectly happy with an NEC Multisync 21" (circa 1995). But I think it was hard on his eyes (although he only shows up about once a month). That monitor is back in a junk room gathering dust. Anyway, at home, the Samsung 20" & 23" monitors are working perfectly after a little vid card tweaking. Plus, here at work, I reinstalled the latest NVIDIA drivers for the GeForce vid card again. No blue screens this time. Many more resolutions and ratios available for the Dell. So now I know what a widescreen is supposed to look like. good to hear. wish my boss would "insist" on getting me a 24" monitor for work... although i do have dual monitors (two 17", eh) and that is good for remote desktop. one place i worked my boss had 4 CRT monitors! (i had 3  )
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