What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals

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2006/09/17 11:00:37 (permalink)

What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals

Hello All,

I can never seem to record decent lead vocals.
I have tried an SM58, and currently have an AKG2000B.

All sound thin.

Any tips on good vocal mics, which might sound warmer and fuller?

Thanks In Advance
Scott
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    Jamz0r
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/09/17 18:30:41 (permalink)
    An SM58 should be fine for recording vocals.

    Have you tried double-tracking the vocals...with 2 seperate recordings?
    That will make even MY weak vocals sound halfway decent.
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    montezuma
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/09/17 19:42:56 (permalink)
    I used to have a SM58, but the results were thin for me at the time too...but I don't think I had a preamp then.

    Anyway my mics now are:

    CADm177 (which I use for vocals)
    Behringer C2's (which I use for micing acoustic guitar)
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    muzishan
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/09/17 22:09:06 (permalink)
    At the risk of straying off topic. What kinds of effects will enhance my vocals.?

    I'm just not that good of a singer. Trying to make a silk purse out of a sowes EAR.
    post edited by muzishan - 2006/09/17 22:24:55
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    Jamz0r
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/09/17 22:37:18 (permalink)
    Your best effect would probably be to record 2 or even 3 tracks of the same vocals...not copy paste...seperate performances.
    That will make your voice sound very full, and as long as the performances are all close to exact, should sound much better than say loading up with reverb or delay...which is best used to "sit" the vocals once they already sound good dry.
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    montezuma
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/09/19 04:29:06 (permalink)
    You could try a 'Thick Chorus Vocal".

    I dunno, I have the same problem with my voice.

    I think the key might be alcohol.
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    stephan
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/09/19 08:47:29 (permalink)
    Montezuma is right about the alcohol, although it helps best if everyone listening to my vocals has consumed enough not to notice! The truth of the matter is that even in this day and age of incredible digital tools for performance and recording, you still have to process the basic signal, in this case, the vocal. If it is not too good to start, then there's only so much you can do with it. Having said that, however, I think the one thing that most players who want to put vocals to their music forget is the old saw about "practice makes perfect". Not just the song you want to record, but in general. If you want your voice to be better, use it. Sing as much as you can to improve the level of the basic product. Better in, better out.
    Stephan
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    cheekythief
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/09/19 11:45:06 (permalink)
    I use an SM58, and find that it gives a good, accurate sound. I generally add a very small amount of reverb and/or mess about with the EQ a bit to get a warmer tone.
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/09/19 15:05:30 (permalink)
    I get very good vocal recordings for me and folks recording at my place with a condenser mic as my main mic .If you want a different sound use say a shure sm58
    through a pre amp or focusright octopre .
    you can get very good ones now for about £100 in the u.k.
    Record dry If the vocals are thin use the effects on the replay , on the cake walk effects
    the "Q" option is very good ,high cut ,bass boost etc .Also some compression from
    the spectra effects right down the list is "slow or fast compression" this rounds the voice .

    Depending on the type of socal needed the pre- set reverb right at the end of the list on verb "voice" can help .I only use reverb when required as it makes vocals sound the same .Mix these effects about some " Q" some without some high cut some bass boost
    or just use compression if you are doing a full c.d.it will give variation to the c.d.
    Hope that helps a bit . also as Montezumz says the chorus can work some times .
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    scottdb
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/09/20 05:00:59 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the replies.
    I guess it's just a matter of trying out several techniques.

    I'll get to work right away, and let you know if I come up with a magical sound.

    THanks
    Scott
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    cjlinus
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/09/20 13:11:35 (permalink)
    Hey all,

    I use a Rode NT-1. I also have a rather thin voice and this mic seems to do a good job of filling it out a little. I am not a fan of using an SM-58 for recording, sounds very good live because it helps the vocals to cut through but this is bad if your trying to fill out a mid rangey vocal. One aproach you could use is to take advantage of a thin voice and cater the mix to fit it. Try not to use guitar or keyboard sounds that live in the same neighborhood as the vocal. Let the vocal fill out the midrange and use the other instruments to cover the high and low. Believe it or not this really can make mixing easier because the vocal is much easier to understand if it has its own spot in a mix as opposed to fighting to be heard. This is just one man's opinion so try different ideas and see what happens.



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    muzishan
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/09/20 13:30:17 (permalink)
    Ultimately the old addage applies-"Garbage In = Garbage Out".
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    dana7
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/10/02 21:01:14 (permalink)
    How about the old one-mic-close-in-and-another-15-20 feet-away trick? Anyone have luck with that?
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    Dazed
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/10/02 22:46:03 (permalink)
    For recording vocals you really should be using a Large Diaphragm Condenser Mic. You can find an MXL (great reviews from people I know) for $60 or so and then others all the way up to the extreme ridiculous prices lol. I use a Carvin CM87S which was $250 when I got it and is now down to $149. Take a look at Musicians Friend for the price range that suits you and then look for some reviews.

    The SM58 is great for recording live vocals and instruments but for recording, I would not use one. There are people that do use them with great results but I would highly suggest a LD Condenser Mic. I am wondering why your AKG is not giving you decent sound? Have any examples? It may just be your mix?



    Just my .02 cents.
    post edited by Dazed - 2006/10/02 23:02:19
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    contact@jondunn.org
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/10/17 17:15:15 (permalink)
    Audix mics are fantastic

    SM 58 is an old dog after trying an OM 3 or OM 6
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    Zig
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/10/23 11:49:07 (permalink)
    Yes, decent condenser mic: I'm very impressed with Rode generally. Maybe tad of chorus or, say, clone the track and phase invert one. Before going down the chorus road, I'd probably talk to someone who knows a bit about compression too. If the vox is already recorded and you're happy with it apart from the perceived thinness, then a dabble with the EQ, also perhaps with some harmonic excitation of the lower frequencies?
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    mathum
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/10/24 08:47:41 (permalink)
    Zig,
    "harmonic excitation of the lower frequencies?" How would you do this? Outboard device?
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/10/25 18:03:17 (permalink)
    Ooops, sorry Mathum...I don't nip in very often...
    Yes, but a bit "all around the houses" once it's recorded; I was thinking of a software standalone..and I'll fess up that all I can think of is Voxengo. I use my mastering software, Ozone(poor man's way, as I know there is also mic emulation software out there too) as a dXi effect, opening up the single track as a whole new project(it's a RAM-hungry beast if you've other stuff running as well). I can then use the EQ and compressor in addition to the exciter, should I be feeling stubborn. I'd export that, then swap it with the original take in the main project.
    Yes, a circuitous pain in the cheeks, and as you'll rightly point out: no substitute for getting the front end right to start with. There are some very knowledgeable heads on the Sonar forum(and I'm sure there are here too) who'd be happy to advise on standalone harmonic exciters, and who have more money and experience than me! Best of, Zig
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    mathum
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/10/25 21:16:39 (permalink)
    Yikes that's a lotta dang work.
    :)
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/10/27 16:40:18 (permalink)
    I use the rohodes nt2a but findita little bassy so not recomending but I also have an SM58 which is really really very bad horribly bad in comparison. I would never ever use an SM58 for recording. iuse for live work though My advice get a good condenser

    Also here is a cut and paste of my advice for sonar Le users.It apples mostly to guitar tracks pro users as well as this is what I started with

    Here my tip for vocals.All of these effects came with the software with the exception of the spectrum analyser

    Record the vocals with FX compressor under the setting light vocal compression
    (against conventional wizdom which says record dry) For me this irons out the peaks
    next once you are happy with the take
    Add a high pass filter 6db in the fx bin
    followed by mono reverb operating with 1.61 decay 94%dry 20 wet wih a further high pass
    Now clone the entire track ie double track and you get a much fuller richer sparkle to your sound.

    You take this further if you have spectrum analyser.Analyse the frequencies the vocals are running at.Cut all instruments frequencies that compete with that vocal frequency band. In other words poke a whole in the recording dynamic range for your vocals to sit in.

    also strongly consider the environment you record your vocals in. Room noise will be picked up and ambience of the room is something to be looked at as a priority. Use duvets if you have no wonga to control your environment!!!
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    mathum
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/10/27 19:16:07 (permalink)
    Using a Rode NT3. Very crisp and great depth when i move in close. For my songs i like a very intimate sound with throat rumble. :)
    Gotta watch those plosives when up close, though.

    BarryMc, Thanks for the recording tips.
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/10/28 23:35:43 (permalink)
    1980's vintage SM57, run through the DR880 guitar compressor. I agree that the SM series is a live-duty mic., but it's all I have (from the old days)! Would love to try a new condenser and see what that sounds like. I have tried doubling my vocal tracks, but I'm such a lame vocalist, the tracks sound independent of one another as opposed to being one performance. Are we panning the doubled vocal tracks left-to-right or dead on center?
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/11/10 10:46:42 (permalink)
    I have a Samson QU1 dynamic mike. I bought this because I can record my amp and vocals. A condensor mike is supposed to be the best but this works well. It is a usb mike and is easy to use.
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    Mike Hagan
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/11/13 02:49:35 (permalink)
    Just started using a Samsun condensor mic (abour £120) and a Behringer DI/phantom power unit and the results are good.
    A lot of it comes down to the room you are in! I once had a problem that I traced back to the fact I had positioned the mic in a corner of the room facing a large metal radiator! Turned the mic around, thin sound gone!

    Mike

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    RigPa
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/11/13 05:00:51 (permalink)
    Mostly AKG C535, but recently I have used SM58 for a few songs and I have an old warm AKG D707 I use once in a while. I will soon buy a Neumann TLM49....
    I use a Focusrite VM P preamp but I dont really like it. It is only slightly better than nothing. Sometimes I just use an old DBX 266 comp instead.

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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/12/04 00:21:14 (permalink)
    What warmed my vocals best was a Blue Microphone "Snowball" USB microphone. It's used for professional voice-overs. Bought mine at Sweetwater.com I also spent a full day dialing in reverb for my voice. None of the presets worked for me.
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    RE: What Mic Is Everyone Using For Recording Lead VOcals 2006/12/05 13:31:16 (permalink)
    I used to use an SM58, now use a Samson C01 condenser with phantom power - great for vocals and for acoustic guitar.

     
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