Track Counts.....What are you gettin'?

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2006/10/09 20:28:48 (permalink)

Track Counts.....What are you gettin'?

I started this thread to get info on audio track counts and CPU/System horse power for lack of better words.

I have a really old machine but feel I get reasonable power out of it for what it is.................(old )......actually....really,really old.

I'd love to hear what kinda track counts other users are getting for audio projects w/fx , soft synths etc. ...............


Please, if you have a minute give us some examples of.....

max track counts

bit/sample rate

plugins

synths

interface

machine specs

Software version.

I'm hoping this could be useful info for all members.



Yes this is in the Sonar, but its dying.

I had hoped to get some good info for anyone to check out.

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post edited by zungle - 2006/10/10 22:49:42
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    fooman
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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/09 21:53:08 (permalink)
    I'll give this a shot. i just ogt Sonar 6 and just started getting into midi, so these are old project averages and counts.

    Tracks - 40-or-so tracks of audio. No midi or synths.
    Software version - Sonar 5PE.
    Effects - Each track has it's own EQ.
    Many tracks have other sonitus compressors, gates, reverbs etc frozen on them.
    I also have 7-11 busses, with about 10-or-so plug-ins spread across them.
    PC - Asus board, 3.0 Ghz P4, 2Gb RAM, 2 Seagate HDs.

    My PC is pretty badass, not quite new but by no means dated. It does everything I need and more without much strain.

    Audio specs of last project - 16-bit/44.1Khz. Didn't realize what a big deal going to 24-bit was. I KNOW my PC can handle it because I've tested it out many times recording 8 tracks of drums at 24-bit/96k.
    I also did use input monitoring when tracking vocals, with latency down to ~10ms.
    post edited by fooman - 2006/10/11 07:23:02
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    zungle
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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/10 01:33:29 (permalink)
    Thanks Fooman ,

    Just what I was looking for. I'm a little suprised more people haven't offered something up.

    I thought it would be kinda cool to have a thread some of the new users could check out. This way they may gain some insight on what to expect, or gain some direction on aquiring gear.

    Thanks Again.

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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/10 08:14:20 (permalink)
    I'll give it a rough go.

    Tracks: 30 Audio (aboug 1/3 stereo, the rest mono), 4 or 5 MIDI

    Plugins: 4 KVR Reverbs, 15 KVR EQ, 3 KVR Compressors, 4 NI Guitar Rig, 2 CW Delay, 1 CW Tape Sim

    Synths: 2 Edirol VSC (1 archived)

    Interface: M-Audio 2496

    Machine Specs: Whatever the standard Dell motherboard is, 3.3Ghz P4, 1Gb RAM, internal 40Gb drive, external 160Gb

    Software version: WIN XP, SHS4XL

    All at 16/44.1, with Input Monitoring off.

    This will have my CPU running at about 70%, but keep in mind that it's not a dedicated DAW. There's anti-virus software, and the usual stuff probably in the background.

    This is from memory - but it's close. I'm trying to remember the project I was working on last night...
    post edited by Slugbaby - 2006/10/11 09:16:36

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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/10 10:02:42 (permalink)
    My Sonar system

    track count: I've been able to run 64 tracks give or take (44.1k/24 bit)
    plugins: EQ and Db-audioware compressor on every track. usually about 8-10 busses and a couple Reverbs, and delays.
    synths: none
    interface: MOTU 828 and Echo Layla 3G
    computer: custom built dual Athlon XP2000, Tyan tiger MP motherboard, 1GB of RAM, multiple Ultra320 SCSI audio drives.
    software version: Windows 2000 SP4, Sonar Producer 3.1 (yes it's old but works well)

    I'm planning to upgrade Sonar to ver. 6 I mostly only use Sonar for MIDI sequencing and eventually soft synths. My main audio is done on Pro Tools nowadays.
    post edited by themidiroom - 2006/10/11 09:49:26

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    jacktheexcynic
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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/10 21:43:43 (permalink)
    no one specified whether they use 16/44.1, 24/96, etc.... makes a huge difference. also, input monitoring (i never do it) adds a bit to your cpu load.

    ignoring softsynths with eq on most tracks, several busses and a multiband (multibands take quite a bit of cpu) i can run 20 or so 24bit/48khz tracks at 20-30% depending on plugins. softsynths of course just depend - for some reason DFHS likes to consume 50% cpu when idle (while playing, maybe an overhead of 12-20%).

    i have a p4 prescott 2.8ghz, hyperthreading on, 1gb of ram. dell precision workstation (875p motherboard) with most non-essential services turned off. i don't even have AV installed anymore, it's basically worthless unless you've got the full "client security" suite (firewall, IPS, spyware, etc.) and that'll suck your resources worse than real-time scanning.

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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/10 22:34:18 (permalink)
    I should have included bit and sample request.

    Excellent point!!!

    I'll edit thread.

    Thanks for the reply.....this is the type of thing I never get bored with.

    I like the chance to see everyone is doing.
    post edited by zungle - 2006/10/10 22:52:54
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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/10 22:55:10 (permalink)
    zungle,
    Interesting thread. One thing I have notices is that Task Manager consistently reports higher CPU usage than SHS4. No other processes running, but it will show SHS at 40 to 50%, while SHS reports 15 to 20%. Any thoughts on that?

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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/11 00:22:40 (permalink)
    Some one can corrrect me if I'm not on it here.

    But I believe the Windows task manager and SHS(CW ) use different ways to measure CPU use .

    There is a small blurb about it in help files "CPU"
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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/11 00:31:31 (permalink)
    A note to all interested.....................

    My machine is very old, my CPU is a 1.3 Duron actually a very snappy CPU in the day. However it has very low L2 Cache of 128(other Durons ran on 64)

    I picked up an Athlon "ThunderBird" ($20.00)........which was know to be a bit stronger and a little more muscular in its day.

    Tonight I swapped CPU , I ran tests with each and was shocked and disappointed to see my old Duron 1.3 ran around 9-12% more efficiently than the Athlon .

    I had hoped I was going to gain that much with the Athlon.

    The Athlon was a bit faster screen to screen and that was it.

    Kinda strange.

    I know their out of date just throwin it out there.
    post edited by zungle - 2006/10/11 14:20:35
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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/16 21:40:00 (permalink)
    I'm running S4P on an old Dell 1.8, 1 G, 2 HD's, MOTU 2408mkII w/ 2 Behringer ADA8000's. Projects usually have either no MIDI or 2 tracks, all else is audio. No softsynths, very few plug-ins, and almost all processing is done destructively.
    Fewest number of tracks is 48, maximum so far is 87. I've had 4 crashes since November 2005.

    We will be moving to a new PC in the next couple od weeks.
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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/17 01:40:34 (permalink)
    Looks like that machine served you very well.

    What are you picking up?
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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/17 03:00:00 (permalink)
    24/44.1 - 30 tracks 10 aux busses. EQ on almost all tracks, compression on 5 tracks and 3 aux busses. 2 delays, 1 chorus, long plate, short plate, pitch shifter on seperate aux busses mentioned above.

    EQ, compression and limiter on master buss (I generally do this at the end to get a mocked up mastering chain).

    This all worked fine no stalls except when I exceeded my UAD1 cards ability. Overall I could have had more tracks but this was all I needed.

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    post edited by Middleman - 2006/10/17 03:15:29
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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/17 03:39:29 (permalink)
    Maximum I can get with a sloppy setup. No OS tweaks and 16bit at 44.1 fast buffer setting 3.1ms latency live monitoring. Will experience moderate dropouts on playback, and moderate clicking while monitoring a live signal.

    Win Xp service pack 2
    1gig ram, AMD Athlon 64 (2.2GHzt)
    no tweaks to the OS
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    Audio track 1 - with Nomad Factory EQP-4 in bin bussed to effect send 1 with Nomad Factory Liquid Verb in bin

    Audio track 2 - with Nomad Factory EQP-4 in bin bussed to effect send 2 with Nomad Factory Rock Amp Legends in bin

    Midi track 1- with FXpansion Guru drum synth and drum hits are outputted to 4 audio outs (no effects on bins)

    Master Track- with Nomad Factory LM-662 in bin

    Not bad considering and could have things working like a charm with some tweaks.

    EDIT) Just a note on Middleman's setup the UAD cards will process the UAD plugins with little involvement from the CPU. Great way to go there for sure and Middleman I envy your setup.
    post edited by StuH - 2006/10/17 04:00:14

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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/17 07:48:30 (permalink)
    My son and his friends did a rap project with 96 tracks on my Sonar 5PE. Mostly vocals, some drum loops, a couple of compressors, guitar, and bass.
    I couldn't believe it would actually play. But it did. They know nothing about latency settings, or how to adjust it, I still don't know how they pulled it off. I guess the lack of plugs.



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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/17 08:18:47 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: deleter47

    My son and his friends did a rap project with 96 tracks on my Sonar 5PE. Mostly vocals, some drum loops, a couple of compressors, guitar, and bass.
    I couldn't believe it would actually play. But it did. They know nothing about latency settings, or how to adjust it, I still don't know how they pulled it off. I guess the lack of plugs.


    96 Tracks on a rap project??????????

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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/17 08:33:49 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: deleter47

    My son and his friends did a rap project with 96 tracks on my Sonar 5PE. Mostly vocals, some drum loops, a couple of compressors, guitar, and bass.

    How many friends does your son have?
    The largest number of tracks I have seen on a rap project was about 70. There were a lot of sound effects and doubled up vocals and drum sounds.
    I suppose the key thing is how many tracks of audio are actually playing at the same time.

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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/18 20:37:16 (permalink)
    96 tracks ....?

    I do mostly NU-Metal and 30 tracks is a bunch for most stuff.
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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/20 13:23:12 (permalink)
    P4 3.06Ghz, 1G RAM, M-Audio Delta 1010LT, SHS4XL, 16/44.1, Behringer UB2222FX Pro, an old Fostex 812 board, and an assortment of mics (nothing fancy).

    I don't use the built in mic pre's on the 1010 LT, as the mixing boards handle that pretty good for now. I've been recording band practice to 8 tracks live (4tr drums, 1tr bass-direct, 2tr guitar, 1tr vox), and I can run compressor and EQ, or whatever on all tracks for mixdown without crashing. I'm thinking of getting another 1010LT to add 8 more audio tracks, so I can mic the rest of the drum kit, but so far this works pretty well. I've also done track by track recording, with 8 tracks of drums going first, 2tr bass(1 mic, 1 direct)next, then 2 tr of each guitar (total 4tr), with the vocals done last. I only have the effects that came with XL. So far so good........A pretty far cry from my old cassette portastudio... No crashes unless I let my guitar player in front of the computer. I don't know how he does it, but he'll freeze that sucker up every time!
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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/20 14:18:25 (permalink)
    What kinda CPU hit are you taking when doing your multi in live tracking?
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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/20 14:37:21 (permalink)
    I don't know. I've actually never checked. I can't see the computer monitor to well from the drumkit. I just hit record on the keyboard, run to the kit and count off.
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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/20 14:44:19 (permalink)
    I just fired everything up, armed for recording, and hit record and CPU usage stays around 4%, occasionally spikes to 9%, and thats with input monitoring on, which I don't use for live stuff once I set levels...
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    RE: Track Counts.....What are you gettin'? 2006/10/20 15:24:32 (permalink)
    I do multi-track with 8 drum tracks. It stays around 6%.
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