brendantownsend
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4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
Could anyone please shed some light as to how I can get rid of the persistent low memory warnings in Sonar 7 ?
No problems whatsoever with Sonar 6 which I left installed, and my DAW has all the XP stability fixes and multiprocessor updates (etc).
I have 4GB of RAM, with Windows Task Manager indicating the following...
PF Usage: 502MB
Physical Memory: 3.1GB (understandable as it's XP Pro)
Available: 2.36GB
Also I only have Z3TA, Play VST (loaded manually), and RA loaded in the synth rack, but every single time I add even a single instrument sample up comes the warning message again and I have to click to confirm that I wish to continue every time.
It's clearly a bug with Sonar 7, though wouldn't be so bad if I could just disable the warning somehow.
All the best,
Brendan.
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/07 06:53:56
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brendantownsend
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/07 13:45:23
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This is most certainly a bug, which I have reported to Cakewalk through appropriate channels.
Sonar 6 runs without this error, and with either version 6 or 7 open I can load up VI's and samples to about 1.5GB before the system threatens to become unstable - and that's without running a swapfile. Sonar 7 starts reporting low memory should I transcend only 500MB.
By any stretch of the imagination, intentionally reporting that memory's getting "low" when there's at-least 1GB of useable space still available would be... well... ridiculous [sm=rolleyes.gif]
All the best,
Brendan.
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auricle
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/07 13:56:46
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It's impossible to use 4Gb in a 32bit operating system. If you right click on 'My Computer' and go to properties. How much memory does it say is installed?
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CJaysMusic
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/07 13:57:51
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I would take a stick of ram out out and see if you get that error again
Cj
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Jose7822
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/07 14:05:53
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Hey Brendan,
I wouldn't be so quick about calling this a bug as I am able to load way more than 500MB of RAM on my system (which is inferior to yours by the way). I'm not sure why you're getting this message to pop up but have you tried using the /3GB switch?
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/07 14:09:31
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ORIGINAL: Jose7822
have you tried using the /3GB switch?
I'm not familiar with this. Is it a SONAR or a Windows thing? I have 4 Gb, and although I have not encountered any memory warnings in SONAR 7, I haven't stressed the system yet. How/where is this switch applied? Thanks.
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brendantownsend
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/07 14:26:34
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Hello Everyone.
Many thanks for your replies.
I have used the same system and configuration from Sonar 4, upgrading to each new version as it came along. To-date, I have never seen this problem in any former version, and don't get it with Sonar 5 or 6 which remain installed. Also, should I ignore the warnings and continue, everything plays perfectly without issue.
The memory is 800MHz Corsair XMS2, and the system isn't overclocked in any way (in-fact I believe that I still have some BIOS settings in safe mode).
I have used the /3GB switch before, though haven't done so recently as I never realised any benefit from doing so. Any version of Sonar would threaten to crash if I were to exceed 1.5GB application space (Sonar, VI's etc), with or without the /3GB switch. I will however reinstate this option again in the boot script and see if it changes anything for the better though - my immediate interest is getting rid of those pesky warnings.
Obviously there's so many differences between DAW's and OS installs that it's never quite possible to tell where, if any, a conflict lies. I've therefore initiated a full report to Cakewalk, complete with requested system files for a full and thorough analysis. I'll try anything you guys care to suggest though as it's an interesting one.
All the best,
Brendan.
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Jose7822
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/07 14:27:48
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ORIGINAL: riojazz
ORIGINAL: Jose7822
have you tried using the /3GB switch?
I'm not familiar with this. Is it a SONAR or a Windows thing? I have 4 Gb, and although I have not encountered any memory warnings in SONAR 7, I haven't stressed the system yet. How/where is this switch applied? Thanks.
This is something you apply to the Windows' BOOT.INI file found in the "Start up and Recovery" window. To get there right-click on My Computer and select "Properties". Click the "Advanced" Tab and then click on "Settings" under "Start up and Recovery" at the bottom. By clicking the "Edit" button you will be able to modify the BOOT.INI file and add the /3GB switch at the end. This may or may not work on your system so I always recomend to instead copy the original line and modify the copied one just in case your system hangs at boot. This way you're able to use the original line and go back to how you were. More info on this can be found here: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms791558.aspx (there's a couple of examples at the bottom) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316739 (this is a variation of the /3GB switch that let's you define the amount of RAM you want for the user and it's an alternative if the /3GB switch doesn't work). HTH
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auricle
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/07 14:57:55
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I have tried the /3GB command in XP, even with the /userva switch and it didn't work for me  It got 2Gb even though I have 4Gb in my system.
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Maneswar
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/07 21:20:48
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auricle, try using
/3gb /USERVA=2850
That goes after your boot path... make a copy of the boot path, paste it below the default and add the above like so...
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows 3" /fastdetect /3GB /USERVA=2850
Use 2850 or lower and see if you can use more than 2GB.
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mwd
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/07 21:32:03
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I see your PF usage but what are your pagefile settings?
Just out of curiosity.
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auricle
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 04:27:30
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ORIGINAL: Maneswar
auricle, try using
/3gb /USERVA=2850
That goes after your boot path... make a copy of the boot path, paste it below the default and add the above like so...
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows 3" /fastdetect /3GB /USERVA=2850
Use 2850 or lower and see if you can use more than 2GB.
Thanks for the help Maneswar. Unfortunately, it still reads as 2Gb - very strange! Is there any reason why I can only read 2Gb?
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 04:49:55
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"and that's without running a swapfile." Try running a swap file. No matter whether physical ram or not windows virtualises all RAM. If you don't have a swap file you are infact hampering windows.
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 05:19:02
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Try running a swap file. In WinXP that's now called pagefile.sys correct? (was called swap file in Win95/98 - WIN386.SWP) In Windows XP go to My Computer, right click it and then choose Properties, go to the Advanced tab, click Performance Options, then click Settings. Again click the Advanced tab and then in the Virtual Memory section click Change. Now you can view and set the parameters you need. BUT! The operating systems use of a paging (swap) file only should come into play if the system is trying to use more memory than is physically present. In the case of this system with 4G, I doubt that's the case. Also, does not Windows allocate pagefile.sys by default (in the root directory)?
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Maneswar
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 07:57:28
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Auricle,
Just to make sure... you are shutting down the PC and rebooting, and when presented with the boot options at startup, you are choosing the new entry with 3GB in the path, right? The second option presuming you entered the new info like I presented above...
If you're only seeing 2GB, then perhaps the system has specific requirememts for RAM configuration, location of memory, size, type of RAM, banks of memory supported per slot, total banks supported per system config, etc.
List your Motherboard (make and model) and the RAM (make and model) and I can take a quick look. Make sure you give me the proper info as it will be prety specific.
Basically, some boards will allow 4GB only if certain sizes are used, is registered instead of standard, is 1 Bank per stick instead of 2 bnaks, has a total of 4 bank support for the system, etc.
When your system is starting up, does the BIOS see all 4GB? When you open up windows Taskmanager, do you see more than 2GB?
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Maneswar
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 08:11:09
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auricle
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 08:17:12
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Auricle,
Just to make sure... you are shutting down the PC and rebooting, and when presented with the boot options at startup, you are choosing the new entry with 3GB in the path, right? The second option presuming you entered the new info like I presented above...
If you're only seeing 2GB, then perhaps the system has specific requirememts for RAM configuration, location of memory, size, type of RAM, banks of memory supported per slot, total banks supported per system config, etc.
List your Motherboard (make and model) and the RAM (make and model) and I can take a quick look. Make sure you give me the proper info as it will be prety specific.
Basically, some boards will allow 4GB only if certain sizes are used, is registered instead of standard, is 1 Bank per stick instead of 2 bnaks, has a total of 4 bank support for the system, etc.
When your system is starting up, does the BIOS see all 4GB? When you open up windows Taskmanager, do you see more than 2GB?
Thanks for your help Manewar. Yes, I have rebooted and have chosen the option with the /3GB switch. Motherboard: Asus P5B-E Plus Memory: 4x Kingston DDR-II 1Gb (PC2-6400) 800MHz (KVR800D2N5/1G) The bios reports 4096Mb on startup and Windows task manager reports 2096300 Total Physical Memory(K)
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 09:27:35
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ORIGINAL: Silence Dogood
BUT! The operating systems use of a paging (swap) file only should come into play if the system is trying to use more memory than is physically present. In the case of this system with 4G, I doubt that's the case. Also, does not Windows allocate pagefile.sys by default (in the root directory)?
Unfortunately that's not quite how Windows works - it will pre-emptively swap stuff out that hasn't been used for ages (eg. printer spooler when you've done no printing for hours). Mind you, it really shouldn't be doing this with the software you're using now - that should be the last thing that is swapped out. My guess is that there's a plug-in that interacts with SONAR 7 in a subtly different way to SONAR 6 and makes a request for more memory than previously or looks for the existence of a swap file - quite likely caused by a newer version of a system dll or similar.
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madfloyd
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 10:12:41
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Are you sure it's not EastWest plugins warning about low memory? I've noticed that since I upgraded to Sonar 7, any EW plugin is always ****in' about low memory when I have plenty (I also have 4 gb).
Btw, what do you mean about loading PLAY.VST 'manually' - does that solve a particular problem? I noticed that I can't really use it without a crazy amount of snap, crackle & pop....
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SH
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 10:20:05
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Are you sure it's not EastWest plugins warning about low memory? I've noticed that too about EastWest but I don't think the OP mentioned he is using that plug.
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Maneswar
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 10:32:35
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Auricle, Man, that Asus site is a real pain... what total crap... I never did find the approved memory vendor list, but I found this that might be the real problem, as I suspect the RAM may be acceptable... but also read the setion of the Manual n RAM as it says some interesting things about 128Mb x 16 (or double sided modules) are not approved... See if you can find out any info on Banks supported... I found 2 banks of 2, which suggests each slot supports 1 bank of memory... your board may not support that (couldn't find any bank support info other than at Crucial). BUT, I suspect your memory is fine because the BIOS should fail to notice all 4GB if there was a problem with memory config... so I suspet this is primarily a Windows problem or how Windows is presented with the memory by the BIOS. As for why windows son't show more than 2GB... memory available is based on which part of the memory range a driver uses, so if you have a graphics card or sound card (or any card or device) that maps its resources to 2GB to 2.25GB, then anything below that is what is visible to you... sucks but I am pretty sure that's how it is. My video cards map to about 2.8GB to 3.1GB roughly, so I cannot go above USERVA=2850 without failing to boot. I use FireGL and Quadro cards from ATI and Nvidia respectively (graphics workstation cards). Take a look at these and the manual. http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartspecs.aspx?mtbpoid=0C3EFA5FA5CA7304
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madfloyd
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 10:32:53
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ORIGINAL: SH
Are you sure it's not EastWest plugins warning about low memory?
I've noticed that too about EastWest but I don't think the OP mentioned he is using that plug.
Yes he did (play.vst loaded manually).
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Jose7822
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
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bentleyousley
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 12:03:09
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Yes, I’ve been having the same issue. Like you, I pulled up a project that was started on Sonar PE6 (and gave no low memory messages before). I also have 4gb of ram (3gb switch) under XP.
One thing I have noticed is that even though I get this message early in the loading process, everything seems to load and the project seems to run. I do seem to have more crashes on large projects with Sonar 7, but I don’t know if this has anything to so with the Low Ram warning.
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Maneswar
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 12:27:16
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Thanks Jose, found it and the list is shorter than the one in the PDF manual, and the list does not list the Kingston RAM Auricle has as qualified. :/
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 13:16:38
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bentleyousley, madfloyd, SH, brendantownsend
Is your pagefile on or off ?
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 14:14:39
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bentleyousley, madfloyd, SH, brendantownsend
Is your pagefile on or off ?
Is your pagefile on or off Mine is on and size set to 'custom' 2046-4092
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don4777
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 14:40:47
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I also have 4GB RAM and tried running with the /3GB switch. I started having fairly regular crashes on a system that prior to using the /3GB switch simply never crashed. I tried to get it to work but eventually gave up. After removing the /3GB switch the system is once again stable. To be honest I didn't really notice much difference in performance when I was using the switch. I decided to wait until the last of the plugins I use supports 64-bit and then will move to 64-bit version of XP or Vista and make use of the extra memory.
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auricle
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RE: 4GB RAM, 500MB used, Sonar 7 reports Low Memory!
2007/10/08 14:56:21
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ORIGINAL: Maneswar
Thanks Jose, found it and the list is shorter than the one in the PDF manual, and the list does not list the Kingston RAM Auricle has as qualified. :/
Maneswar, thanks once more! My Kingston RAM works fine and was fully reported in Vista64. I think I have found the problem. In my bios, I have the setting: Memory Remap Feature (Allow remapping of overlapped PCI memory above total physical memory) as enabled. When enabled, my bios reports that I have 4096Mb of Ram but only 2Gb in Windows. When I disable it, however, the bios reports that I have 3008Mb of Ram but 2.96Gb in Windows - that's without the /3GB switch. Can you explain what is happening here?
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