mgrande
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Acoustic Guitar Help!
Hey guys. I am trying to figure out how in the world I am able to record an acoustic guitar while recording with a metronome! No matter how low I put the click in my headphones, the click always ends up getting recorded. I use high end AKG headphones that are totally isolated to my ears. I am using a Neuman Mic and record in a isolation booth. How do these guys record un-accompanied acoustic guitars without the click in the background? Any help would be greatly appreciated! -Mike
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 09:37:19
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Hey Mike, have you tried lower frequency clicks, like those on Akai MPCs? Might solve your problem and are much better to work with than your average click. And this one's quite obvious but...turn the preamp down and get the guitar as close as is possible to the mic. Not sure about your AKGs but i've never had this problem with my Sennheiser HD25SPs. (quite cheap)
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 10:02:35
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Why not use a silent needle
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mgrande
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 10:03:24
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I tried lots of different clicks, but the only thing that really cuts through is the sidestick. I will pick up the HD25SPs and see if that makes a difference. It could be there is so much empty space between the ears I figured I say that before someone else does Thanks, I'll give it a try
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 10:49:50
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Why not prerecord the metronome on its own track?
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 10:51:43
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Even if it was on its own track, when it is played back into the headphones, it gets picked up when I am playing the acoustic guitar.
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 11:36:04
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ORIGINAL: mgrande Even if it was on its own track, when it is played back into the headphones, it gets picked up when I am playing the acoustic guitar. Or are you saying your mic is picking it up from the headphones? Or is it picking it up from monitors?
post edited by marcos69 - 2007/02/21 12:16:22
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 11:44:30
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I think all you can do is turn it down as low as possible. I have a Neumann as well and I can hear dog's and trucks blocks away when I have my headphones on... If I solo my vocal tracks I always hear headphone bleed, but it's not a problem as it's covered up by all the other things in a mix. Maybe get out of your iso booth and see if that helps. Hopefully you'll have other things in the mix to hide the bleed. RLD
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 12:00:27
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If you have closed headphones I would think the bleed would be really minimal. Can you actually hear it through the guitar or only when there is relative silence? If it's the later why not use a noise gate or an expander. (Reluctant to even mention it as I'm sure you already know that). If you're actually hearing it even when the guitar is playing and you're using closed headphones... is it possible it's coming in somewhere else in the signal chain. Maybe recording a few seconds with the mic off or the headphones off would be worthwhile to determine if that is the case.
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 12:05:05
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ORIGINAL: Ognis Why not use a silent needle Put the neddle in the next room, and look at it. Why don't anyone use these ?
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 12:28:23
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make sure you've got your control room monitors down also,- your iso booth might not be so isolated. Headphone bleed really shouldn't be an issue. Kind regards Dave Rich.
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 12:35:41
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I think all you can do is turn it down as low as possible. ... If I solo my vocal tracks I always hear headphone bleed, but it's not a problem as it's covered up by all the other things in a mix. Right, this is the usual case. So, you must be planning to do other tracks since you're keeping tight to the click, right? Use a softer lower tone click then the rest of the instrumentation will cover it up. If you're doing a solo guitar piece, skip the click and let the piece breath a little, sounds better that way anyway.
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 12:57:52
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If there is to be more instrumentation i.e. drums, you could maybe get some of that down to play to, like a hi-hat part rather than the click, then a small bleed wouldn't matter if the part stayed the same.
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 13:01:17
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Ognis, are you talking about watching a silent metronome needle? Can't see how that would work, he'd have to play without taking his eyes off it for a second.
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 13:34:46
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Use the General MIDI guitar squeak sound FX for your metronome sound, then if any of it does bleed through, it will sound natural ... maybe.
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mgrande
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 13:35:17
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I use the RME Fireface not soundblaster. I am playing an all acoustic piece with a ton of dynamics so there is a lot of air on the recording. It appears that the MIC is picking up the click in the headphones. I have tried 3 different types and all with the same result. As RLD said, these Neumans pick everything up, including my breathing...and that I can do nothing about I'd try the needle, but I think it would be more of a distraction than any help. I will fiddle around with some different types of clicks.
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 13:44:26
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I'm not sure how well the silent metronome will work. I was having bleed from headphones when recording my acoustic, as well, but, in my case, simply turning down the headphone volume did the trick. Make sure your guitar output isn't coming through the headphones and drowning out the metronome, and then turn it down the headphone volume low as possible. I realize that's simplistic and you've probably already tried it, but that's what worked for me ... so just sharing experience.
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 13:55:24
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One more idea, do you have a small diaphragm mic? The have a more focussed pickup range and can be great for guitars.
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 14:03:14
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Yea I thought of that but then I wouldn't get the same results as I would with the Neuman.
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 14:17:47
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ORIGINAL: mgrande ... these Neumans pick everything up, including my breathing...and that I can do nothing about Yeah, I was in a studio doing acoustic guitar with a Neuman in the booth, and I screwed up quite a few good takes by letting the headphone cord slap the guitar body or making the chair squeak or tapping my foot. You really have to be physically disiplined and be absolutely still and use perfect technique on the guitar, string sqeaks were a bugger too.
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 15:17:20
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"Yea I thought of that but then I wouldn't get the same results as I would with the Neuman." You'd get better results. I doubt very much that there's a 1" diaphram mic made that would sound as good on acoustic guitar as a 1/2". Other than just turning down the volume of the click, the only other thing I can think of would be to try and use some noise reduction afterwards to take the click out. I use noise reduction for things all the time, but I've never tried to take a sample of a click to get rid of it. Might work though.
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 15:30:16
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Another idea you might try is using in-the-ear buds and then covering those with unplugged headphones, or if necessary, cover them with construction-quality noise blockers, the "headphone" type that jackhammer users use. If that doesn't work, I don't know what will!
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 15:50:37
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Just to make sure, when you record you don't have an option like 'Record What You Hear' on, do you? If that's the case, no matter what you do, the click track will always be there. Just checking to make sure the 'obvious' hasn't been overlooked
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 20:15:50
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ORIGINAL: ed_mcg If you're doing a solo guitar piece, skip the click and let the piece breath a little, sounds better that way anyway. we have a winner! =) i'm with ed - forget the metronome. when i took classical guitar, i used a metronome for practice but definitely not on the performance. playing to a click track can lead to sterile tracks even in a big mix. that's why i lay down my songs in stages - first scratch tracks w/ guitar and vocals, then a straight (quantized) drum track but with a beat i can groove to, then more guitar + vocals and then back to the drums to do some manual "groove quantization" and i notice the next time i lay down guitar tracks it's easier and i can get more into the song. i'm still playing the same tempo but the new groove is much easier to lock into. so for solo acoustic guitar put down the headphones, ignore the mic and play. you'll like it much better i think.
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/21 21:50:25
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ORIGINAL: jamesg1213 Ognis, are you talking about watching a silent metronome needle? Can't see how that would work, he'd have to play without taking his eyes off it for a second. Sorry I was going on almost no sleep yesterday, or was that this morning I forgot guitar players need to see what they are doing,, sorry. I just got a guitar, I should of known better.
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/22 00:34:23
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ORIGINAL: mgrande How do these guys record un-accompanied acoustic guitars without the click in the background? Any help would be greatly appreciated! -Mike I might as well thow my 2 cents in ...............Welcome to The Planet Tele..X.............. Why don't you just turn the dang metronome up loud.... record the guide track using you acoustic with the bleed...on it Listen to it make a mental picture of where you want your dynamics ex rubato ....phrases... soft playing... playing with fire.... loud ....soft whatever....... Now you have a visual......of Your musical phrases.......Right? open a new audio track turn down the head phones uncover one ear mute your guide track... and just add guitar.... an other option ,if you have to use the metronome in real time , has been staring us all in the face.... that little cutie in Ognis's avatar holds the clue.... A Hooded Sweatshirt...to cover the bleed from the headphones... Kenny
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/22 01:27:01
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ORIGINAL: Ognis Why not use a silent needle how about one of those vibrating things like on cell phones in your pocket
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RE: Acoustic Guitar Help!
2007/02/22 11:06:50
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ORIGINAL: mwall Another idea you might try is using in-the-ear buds and then covering those with unplugged headphones, or if necessary, cover them with construction-quality noise blockers, the "headphone" type that jackhammer users use. If that doesn't work, I don't know what will! Yes, I use Sharp E2Cs for this purpose. No bleed. No need for a headphone cover. Use either the foam sleaves or soft translucent rubber, and NP. Solo guitar? I agree, no click.
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