Rockabilly Vocal Delay

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2007/02/23 07:50:06 (permalink)

Rockabilly Vocal Delay

Obviously by my last post you get where I'm going with my music. So far I've only messed around with the Sonitus Delay which I think sounds wonderfully clean (if not, too clean) , but I was wondering what settings I would use to get that Gene Vincent, Johnny Cash delay on vocals...With many quesions about effects on these forums it's always 'pull back until you can't hear it" ,but with these old recording the delay is painfully obvious:)

One thing I was wondering is if the left and right are set the same? for examp 1/4 and 1/4, or not?

I'm in the middle of google searching and have found some great stories about the gear they used but no real settings......

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    Slugbaby
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    RE: Rockabilly Vocal Delay 2007/02/23 09:47:29 (permalink)
    I don't get into much rockabilly, but from what I remember, I'd set the delay to about 30-50ms, with 0 feedback, and set the L&R the same.
    The panning would probably be centred, but that would really depend on how the rest of the project is mixed.
    And maybe EQ out some of the lows - those recordings weren't very bassy, were they?


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    RE: Rockabilly Vocal Delay 2007/02/23 12:26:13 (permalink)
    huh, ok. that kinda surprised me the short delay. and no feeback. cool. will try when I get home ! is it 5:00 yet?

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    RE: Rockabilly Vocal Delay 2007/02/23 12:33:03 (permalink)
    If we're thinking about the same type of sound - my rockabilly years are distant...

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    RE: Rockabilly Vocal Delay 2007/02/23 14:35:30 (permalink)
    Yeah, one (relatively strong) repeat is all, that's the "slap back".

    And for the ultimate in authenticity, sneak into the old Sun Records studio on a tour and stealth-record an impulse response...
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    RE: Rockabilly Vocal Delay 2007/02/23 14:48:13 (permalink)
    ahahahhahaha , i like that. I actually found a plug called Analogic Delay , freebie that I think is KILLER ! and I own Waves and UAD stuff. but this thing beats 'em all.

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    RE: Rockabilly Vocal Delay 2007/02/25 02:14:49 (permalink)
    Dry vocal-------------------------------------------------------------->



    Send: Single slap back echo ----> Reverb 100% wet ----->Return: Processed vocal
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    RE: Rockabilly Vocal Delay 2007/02/25 09:31:19 (permalink)
    It usually sounds better in mono I think, but anyhow, if it's mono, set the delay to anywhere from 100 to 120ms. If stereo, set one channel to 1 and 1/2 times higher, thus, if you have the left channel set to 100ms, set the right channel to 150ms, or if the left channel is set to 120ms, set the right channel to 180ms. If you want an authentic sounding tape delay for use on electric guitar, then you'll need a delay that has EQ on it so you can dial out some highs in a gradual slope starting at 2k. If you have a delay like Cakewalk's (I'm using GT Pro so I'm not sure if the delay in Sonar is set up the same) and it has three feedback settings (right, left, and cross), set the right and left to zero and the cross feedback to about 10%. Oh, and leave the LFO settings at zero.
    post edited by Joe Bravo - 2007/02/25 09:54:37
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    RE: Rockabilly Vocal Delay 2007/02/27 09:06:52 (permalink)
    What the hell are you talking about, Bill ? The question was settings used to get the sound. Not your opinion on what sounds better.

    And who records a lead vocal in stereo? Just because one half of the original mono source is processed through a stereo effect. That doesn't mean the signal is suddenly stereophonic. I don't know much. But I do know that a slap-back echo doesn't use the difference between a l and r delay in time to achieve effect. I also know that unless the signal is paned it will not articulate and will remain centered.

    So I guess I agree with you. But I still don't know what your talking about.
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    RE: Rockabilly Vocal Delay 2007/02/27 21:57:14 (permalink)
    "The question was settings used to get the sound."

    Which I gave.

    "And who records a lead vocal in stereo? Just because one half of the original mono source is processed through a stereo effect. That doesn't mean the signal is suddenly stereophonic."

    Have you ever tried it? I don't know how many times I've stated it over the years here, but I've told a lot of guys who were new to recording and effects that they should listen to a track with an effect on it in mono and then again after converting it to stereo to see the difference. Here's an echo effect on a 30-second mono voice track (George Bernard Shaw giving a lecture).

    GB Shaw - Mono

    Here's the same track, only I converted it to stereo first and then hit it with delay.

    GB Shaw - Stereo

    Even though you record something in mono, if you convert it to stereo before applying an effect, you'll get a nice pseudo stereo effect bouncing around in both speakers. (Obviously if you apply the effect before converting it to stereo, and then try to convert it aftwards you won't get the pseudo stereo; it will just sound like mono).

    I think that a stereo delay set to an old Elvis slapback echo sounds a little strange bouncing around in the speakers myself. I record vocals in stereo all the time though. If I take a stereo vocal track and apply a bit of chorusing and reverb, I'll get a pretty large stereo spread then compared to mono.
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    RE: Rockabilly Vocal Delay 2007/02/27 23:02:20 (permalink)
    VEEEERY Short delay with a bit of ''room'' echo. The ''slapback'' expression is good for that.

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    RE: Rockabilly Vocal Delay 2007/02/28 08:28:07 (permalink)
    Wow, some great responses. One thing is confusing me, some people have mentioned a room echo. Is that done with mic placement, or are we talking afterwards a very very slight reverb? This is reminding me of a 2 hour discussion I had with a friend last week about the difference between echo and reverb......oh God...............................

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