nirahlee
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Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
Hi I'm using Sonar 4 Home Studio with the Alesis 16 Multimix Firewire mixer. I want to have 11 simultaneous inputs - which shouldn't be a problem. I assign the tracks in Sonar but when I start to activate the tracks to be ready for recording it limits me to 9 simultaneous tracks. Any idea why? Thanks!
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boten
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 18, 07 1:22 PM
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I think that that mixer has 4 stereo output channels (or 8 mono channels) so you're limited to that number of tracks in HOme Studio to record simultaneously.
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Beagle
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 19, 07 7:45 AM
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I looked at the manual for this unit and that's not quite correct, boten. it has 8 stereo outputs (16 mono) and you can also choose the stereo MAIN output.
However, I'm not sure why you can't record with more than 9. when you say, "it limits me to 9 simultaneous tracks" - what exactly do you mean by that? does it not allow you to arm the other tracks, does it give you an error message? if so, what is the message?
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 19, 07 8:36 AM
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May be there is a gap between the manual and the technical specifications I read which says there are 4 stereo channels. Sorry if this is wrong and I misled. (Hope you're not confusing with the # of analog inputs, though).
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 19, 07 9:38 AM
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Something doesn't jive because he says its stopping him at 9, not 8.
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Beagle
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 19, 07 12:21 AM
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No problem, boten, I'm sure it's just as you say. here's a couple of screenshots from the manual:   It's kind of difficult to see, but as you can probably make out, there are 16mono or 8 stereo inputs to SONAR from the MM16FW. And as leibre says, something must be wrong because 9 input limit just doesn't make sense.
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 19, 07 1:53 PM
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So, if nirahlee is using stereo inputs that makes exactly nine, doesn't it?
Regards,
Tommy
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nirahlee
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 20, 07 0:16 PM
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Hey, thanks everyone for your help so far! In the second image above it shows how there can be 8 inputs and 0 out. On my screen, I have 9 in and 1 out. It's weird. Not sure why I'm limited to 9 because i can have 8 XLR inputs and then another 4 stereo line inputs.
There's no error message. If I try to arm more than 9 it will re-assign the track to one of the others' input so now I have 2 tracks with the same input.
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nirahlee
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 20, 07 0:18 PM
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Oh, and one more thing. The view that shows all 16 inputs - I do see that, it just limits me to 9 when I try to arm the tracks simultaneously.
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 20, 07 7:48 AM
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Do you have all your Track Inputs set to Mono?
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cwallen19803
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 20, 07 3:20 PM
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I use the Phonic Helix18FW 18-Channel Mixer, and I have to choose between, say Channel 2 Left, Channel 2 Right, and Channel 2 Stereo. I can assign one track to Channel 2 Left and another tract to Channel 2 Right and record two mono tracks. I can also assign a single track to Channel 2 Stereo and record a single stereo track.
Perhaps your Alesis gives you a similar interface?
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Beagle
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 20, 07 4:33 PM
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ORIGINAL: nirahlee
Oh, and one more thing. The view that shows all 16 inputs - I do see that, it just limits me to 9 when I try to arm the tracks simultaneously.
I think I asked this before, but didn't get an answer: HOW does it limit you? do you get an error, are they greyed out after you start arming them? can you set all of them prior to arming them, but it won't let you arm the 10th one?
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nirahlee
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 21, 07 0:51 PM
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OK, I do not get an error message. What happens if I try to ARM more than 9 tracks by clicking the ARM button, it will reassign that track to one of the other inputs - usually the first input. So now i have track 1 and 10 assigned to the same input.
For the other comment - I do have the left and right choices and I choose them accordingly because these are mono inputs.
Thanks for the help guys, keep it coming! I really would like to fix this.
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Beagle
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 21, 07 7:30 AM
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Wow! That is strange behavior. I'm afraid I don't have anything else except to contact Tech support. I would suggest calling them instead of email - you'll get much faster results. And if you do, make sure and post what they told you here in case someone else is having this problem.
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 22, 07 12:01 AM
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...I could be completely wrong, and I'm not sure if what I'm going to say has anything to do with anything, but many manufacturers will ''advertize'' this way. I think he can't record more than 8-9 inputs at a time(physical inputs). What you see in Sonar is just the ''doubling'' of the tracks(stereo).
''I work to live, but live to make music'' -Mahler
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 22, 07 12:44 AM
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That's what I thought as per my first message. 8 simultaneous inputs based on the specifications.
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Beagle
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 22, 07 1:38 PM
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Ahhh...boten: my apologies...I did not understand that's what you were saying.
I looked at the manual again. It does not state that you can record 16 simultaenous channels, nor does it say that you can't. It simply shows the 16 different output channels (not counting the main audio outputs) which are available. so boten and sonic might be correct. Looks like you'd have to check with Alesis directly to find out for certain.
Again...sorry guys, I wasn't even thinking that way.
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 22, 07 1:58 PM
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No worries Beagle, it was kind of confusing anyways.
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oggy1310
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
February 27, 07 10:16 AM
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A couple of suggestions -
1 Try downloading the latest drivers from alesis - you may have tried this already.
2 Use asio rather than WDM. This card/mixer works better with asio - it actually ships with Cubase LE.
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
March 11, 07 11:39 PM
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I also have an Alesis 16 Multimix Firewire, however, I noticed in the screen shot above that the driver displayed is the WDM/KS and not the ASIO driver. I think this may be your problem. Use the ASIO drivers. When you select it, your input will no longer show : Multimix Channel 1/2 it should show something like: ASIO ALesis (or Multimix if you havent loaded the latest update) Mic_Line_1 Ex: ASIO Alesis Mic_Line_1 (3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15). Then when you select your track input device, your choices should look something like this:
"Left AISO Alesis Mic_Line_1"
"Right AISO Alesis Mic_Line_1"
"Stereo AISO Alesis Mic_LIne_1"
You should see one for (1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15).
Note: Left AISO Alesis/Multimix Mic_Line_1=Channel 1 on your multimix
Right AISO Alesis/Multimix Mic_Line_1=Channel 2 on you multimix
Stereo AISO Alesis/Multimix Mic_Line_9 -15 = Channel 9/10 - 15/16 on your multimix.
Note: I'm not certain if you select stereo for any of the first 8 channel if it simply bridges the two channel into a stereo pair (e.g. ch 1 & 2 become a stereo pair like ch 9/10 on you mixer)
I hope this doesn't confuse you, but I think it might reslove your problem. Please let me know.
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
March 12, 07 0:47 PM
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Ooopppss, I just realized that the screen shot was not from the originator of this chain and was taken from the manual. However, if you are using the same driver displayed in the screen shot, then changing to the AISO drive should correct your problem (I stumbled up on the same problem when I first installed mine, but realized that I had select the WDM/KS drive which would not allow me to arm all channels).
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RE: Sonar 4 Home Studio - # of simultaneous tracks
March 12, 07 12:42 AM
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I'm using this exact combination, and overall it's working well.
(1) Use the ASIO drivers. On the Alesis control panel, I disable the WKS driver. In Home Studio, I select the ASIO driver.
(2) Channels are presented to Home Studio by the driver oddly. There's a Channel 1 Left, Channel 1 Right, and Channel 1 Stereo. When you look at the board, Channel 1 Left as seen by HS is actually Channel 1 from the board. Channel 1 Right is Channel 2 from the board. Channel 1 Stereo is Channel 1 and 2 presented as a stereo pair. So, for Track 1 in HS, select Channel 1 Left. For Track 2 in HS, select Channel 1 Right. Ignore Channel 1 Stereo. For Track 3 in HS, select Channel 2 Left, etc.
Note: Channels 17 and 18 from the Alesis are actually the main mix from the board.
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