New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's

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August 31, 09 1:50 PM (permalink)

New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's

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What the current thoughts on near-field monitors in the £500 bracket
 
My Event 20/20 passives are starting show their age I suspect. 
 
Consequently I thought it was about time I moved up to actives
 
Any suggestions greatly appreciated, the units will be mounted on sand filled stands about a foot from the rear wall, which is acoustically treated.  The rest of the room has some acoustic treatment.

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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's August 31, 09 2:38 PM (permalink)
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    Hi
     
    What the current thoughts on near-field monitors in the £500 bracket
     
    My Event 20/20 passives are starting show their age I suspect. 
     
    Consequently I thought it was about time I moved up to actives
     
    Any suggestions greatly appreciated, the units will be mounted on sand filled stands about a foot from the rear wall, which is acoustically treated.  The rest of the room has some acoustic treatment.
    I'm using Behringer B2031A active monitors and I've been able to get good mixes from the very first try.  All the other Behringer products I've had were subpar but these monitors are doing the job very well.   I tried the auto shutoff feature and that didn't work well, they cut off even while music was playing so I put them back to the "on" when switch is on position. But other then that everything works and mixes translate to the car, net, and ipod perfectly. 
     
    I would also suggest a passvie volume control like the ones made by SM Pro audio. That way you can leave your sound card volume at unity gain for best sound quality and still control how loud the monitors are.
     
    Keep in mind the sweet spot is fairly narrow on the B2031As but that's not a issue if you work alone. If you have customers standing around you might consider getting the new ones with the ribbon tweeters but I can't comment on the sound because I have not tried them. They are supposed to have a wider sweet spot.
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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 01, 09 2:08 AM (permalink)
    Id recommend yamaha HSM80's hands down in that price range-
    You might be able to get the Makcie HR824 speakers for that as well if ya do some bargaining and some good shopping-

    I like my mackies, and my friend has the yamahas, and they are both great monitors-


    I gotta say, Id opt for the Adam A7's as well-
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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 01, 09 8:43 AM (permalink)
    Thanks for the suggestions, I have to say the Adams are interesting will have to go and have a listen, I will also be trying so KRK 8's and 6's

    Any other suggestions?

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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 01, 09 9:49 AM (permalink)
    I love my Adam ANF10's

     
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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 01, 09 9:52 AM (permalink)
    In the price range, hands down the KRK's are the superior product. They are just a tad unflattering to voice and music, but they give a clear clean sound with 3 inputs (rca unbalanced, trs, XLR - balanced) and lots of power.

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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 01, 09 11:52 AM (permalink)
    Id recommend yamaha HSM80's hands down in that price range- You might be able to get the Makcie HR824 speakers for that as well if ya do some bargaining and some good shopping- I like my mackies, and my friend has the yamahas, and they are both great monitors- I gotta say, Id opt for the Adam A7's as well-


    Mackies over Yamahas, for sure. HSM80's are rear-ported, meaning you MUST get them out away from the wall, which can be a problem for most people's small rooms.

    My only issue with Mackies is their wide dispersion and hi-fi-like sound -- they're like the friend who won't tell you when you have bad breath, when you'd prefer total honesty. But they are a good value for the price. I don't know about the UK, but in the states used Mackies are not too hard to find.

    Although a happy ADAM user myself, I wouldn't recommend the A7s. They're a little more expensive than Wookie's stated budget, and IMO they should only be used in conjunction with a subwoofer. The lowest-priced ADAM product I'd consider today is the P22A, which is way beyond Wookie's limit.

    Wookie, if I were living in the UK I'd be looking at British-made products, not out of patriotism but to maximize the bang for the buck, er, quid. Tannoys are probably less expensive there than they are here, and I suspect they are ubiquitous enough that you could find some second-hand. Their subwoofers are well-regarded, too.

    Whatever route you take, explore the second-hand market first. Studio speakers don't wear out. In fact, some get better with age. Studio speakers have usually spent their entire lives in one spot. It's not like buying band gear that's been man-handled in and out of vans for years. And because recordists often upgrade speakers, there are always plenty of entry-level and mid-level product available.


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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 01, 09 12:17 AM (permalink)
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    Thanks for the suggestions, I have to say the Adams are interesting will have to go and have a listen, I will also be trying so KRK 8's and 6's

    Any other suggestions?

     
     
    KRK makes many levels of monitors, stay away from the rockit's...they are OK, but they don't have the resolution, and hype the mid-bass. The VTX or older V6/V8's are great. I use a pair of series 1 V8's, and they are fantastic for mixing, as well as a bargain on the secondary market; I got mine for $450 shipped for the pair! Don't expect to be floored by the bass, they aren't at all flattering, but mixes translate well. I also have to x2 on the Mackie comment. They sound good, and can do good mixes, but they are NOT for smaller rooms...they have a lot of low end. The tweets are a bit splashy, and can be fatiguing to your ears in a short time. The Yam's are a good choice too. I don't think it's been mentioned, but Event makes a real nice 8" monitor in your price range also.

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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 01, 09 12:48 AM (permalink)
    hav had Tapco S8's for a few years now-they don't color the sound much-that i can tell
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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 01, 09 1:22 PM (permalink)
    Many thanks again guys and gals

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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 01, 09 1:26 PM (permalink)
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    -- they're like the friend who won't tell you when you have bad breath, when you'd prefer total honesty. But they are a good value for the price.
    Dave...I'm really sorry to have to tell you this but...

     
    Seriously tho wookiee,
    my recommendations on home studio monitors is probably a little different from what most people will tell you.  Most home studio users have not used more than 1 or maybe 2 sets of near fields and that means they really don't have a good grasp of comparison between the different brands, sizes, types, etc., and so they tend to recommend what they HAVE used most of the time (occassionally you'll find someone who wasn't happy with their first purchase, but that's the minority).  so with risk of being flamed here, probably 95% of the recommendations you will get are based solely on 1 or MAYBE 2 reference points - which is not a very good set for analysis.
     
    having said that (and I agree I fall into this category as well) I really like my Behringer 2031A's.  they are my 2nd set of monitors and I was not impressed at all with my first set (M-audio DX-4's).  they seem fairly well flat but with large enough woofers to push enough air for the bottom end without having to use a sub (but admittedly they don't go down lower than 50Hz).  For the amount of money I think these are really good "bang for the buck...quid...denari...whatever."
     

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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 01, 09 2:30 PM (permalink)
    Thanks Beagle and I do understand about personal selection.

    I was testing the water to see what was flavour of the month among my fellow Sonarites.

    In the end I will let my ears and not my wallet dictate a choice

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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 01, 09 3:28 PM (permalink)
    Whatever route you take, explore the second-hand market first. Studio speakers don't wear out. In fact, some get better with age.

     
    Which makes me wonder...  Why does he think he needs a new set of monitors?

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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 01, 09 5:55 PM (permalink)

    Whatever route you take, explore the second-hand market first. Studio speakers don't wear out. In fact, some get better with age. Which makes me wonder... Why does he think he needs a new set of monitors?

    Which makes me wonder...  Why does he think he needs a new set of monitors?


    I think Wookie's motivation was the desire to migrate to active monitors, and perhaps get better ones in the process. I did not wish to question whether or not he really needs to dump the Events, which are pretty decent speakers.

    Which reminds me of another point, Wookie. I sometimes wish I'd hung on to my prior sets of monitors, just to have alternate references to switch between. You might want to consider keeping your Events around for that purpose.
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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 01, 09 6:54 PM (permalink)
    I'd avoid the tannoys and the 624's and 824's are a bit out of range (unless you wanna save up for a while and you might as well go for the 824's)

    the tannoy reveals, the people who I know who have the 6's and 8' reveals don't like them , both said they were both too bass heavy.. of the 6 I thought "ok" but was suprised they said of that of the 8's. and well their mixing is VERY good, so I trust their views

    a friend has a pair of yamaha's and he seems to like em MSP5's. Another will always have a soft spot for genelec's even though they are small speakers.


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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 01, 09 6:55 PM (permalink)
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    Hi
     
    What the current thoughts on near-field monitors in the £500 bracket
     
    My Event 20/20 passives are starting show their age I suspect. 
     
    Consequently I thought it was about time I moved up to actives
     
    Any suggestions greatly appreciated, the units will be mounted on sand filled stands about a foot from the rear wall, which is acoustically treated.  The rest of the room has some acoustic treatment.


    I'm sorry to say it but at that price bracket you'll probably not get what you had or want. In my opinion it takes at least a $1000 for a decent pair of active near feilds. I recommend the Mackie HR624's.

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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 02, 09 5:48 AM (permalink)
    Which reminds me of another point, Wookiee. I sometimes wish I'd hung on to my prior sets of monitors, just to have alternate references to switch between. You might want to consider keeping your Events around for that purpose.

     
    Bit, I have no intention of dumping the Events unless it proves that the suspect tweeter is suspect
     
    Craig, In the end I will let my ears and not my wallet dictate a choice
     
    As previously stated I think one of the Tweeters is on its way out
     
    At this time I may well be shelving the whole idea and saving some pennies

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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 08, 09 0:26 PM (permalink)
    I used to own a pair of 20/20's and they are great speakers. What amplifier do you use with them?

    I am pretty sure that the drivers are field replaceable:

    http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=8959&Category=Monitoring

    just the suggestion of replacing them with a Behringer product is careless at best.

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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 08, 09 1:20 AM (permalink)
    Hey bit, after a few months on the mackies, I learned them and can efinitely hear when something is wrong now man. They take getting used to like any speaker, but they do tell you the story if ya know them.

    That being said, Im tempted to get some Adams as a second monitor and also some little aurotones or something liek that-


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    Id recommend yamaha HSM80's hands down in that price range- You might be able to get the Makcie HR824 speakers for that as well if ya do some bargaining and some good shopping- I like my mackies, and my friend has the yamahas, and they are both great monitors- I gotta say, Id opt for the Adam A7's as well-


    Mackies over Yamahas, for sure. HSM80's are rear-ported, meaning you MUST get them out away from the wall, which can be a problem for most people's small rooms.

    My only issue with Mackies is their wide dispersion and hi-fi-like sound -- they're like the friend who won't tell you when you have bad breath, when you'd prefer total honesty. But they are a good value for the price. I don't know about the UK, but in the states used Mackies are not too hard to find.

    Although a happy ADAM user myself, I wouldn't recommend the A7s. They're a little more expensive than Wookie's stated budget, and IMO they should only be used in conjunction with a subwoofer. The lowest-priced ADAM product I'd consider today is the P22A, which is way beyond Wookie's limit.

    Wookie, if I were living in the UK I'd be looking at British-made products, not out of patriotism but to maximize the bang for the buck, er, quid. Tannoys are probably less expensive there than they are here, and I suspect they are ubiquitous enough that you could find some second-hand. Their subwoofers are well-regarded, too.

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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 08, 09 5:40 AM (permalink)
    Not sure of price there, but if you like the 20/20 sound i'd check out Event ASP6's or Yamaha MSP7's. 

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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 08, 09 8:45 AM (permalink)
    I have two sets of monitors I use: a pair of Mackie HR824s and a set of Dynaudio BM5As.  I have a treated room and have my monitors positioned for the best experience. 

    I notice that I use the Mackie's nearly 90% of the time as they provide me with the best mixing/mastering detail and wind up using the Dynaudio's more as a reference to see how the low end responds.  For some reason I hear more of the low-end response from the Dynaudio's, so I use them to ensure I don't have too much low frequency that I might not hear as well on the Mackie's.

    The HR624s have a smaller woofer in them so keep that in mind when trying out monitors.  If possible see if the store owner would let you take home the monitors to try in your own environment.  What might sound good in the store, could sound like crap in your studio.

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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 09, 09 4:13 PM (permalink)
    Hi Tom
     
    Many thanks for the advice and thanks to all who contributed.
     
    As it so happens I have shelved the idea of new speakers for it now seems my fear that a tweeter had gone was unfounded
     
    So instead I treated myself to an Auralex Project 2 acoustic treatment kit to improve the treatment I already have in place.

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    Re:New near-fields to replace my ageing Event 20/20's September 09, 09 5:26 PM (permalink)
    I have to agree with Beagle and others on soliciting inputs on Near Fields. I have a set of Event 20/20's that were a gift from my brother who is a professional sound engineer and has worked with most of the best equipment out there. He used these primarily at work and said they were probably the best bang for the buck. He uses Genelec monitors in his own personal studio.  So many here who mix like to have a backup pair of monitors to listen back to because each set have different characteristics. I would recommend keeping these as your second pair. If they are like mine, they do a fantastic job representing the bass.


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