Firewire card-For zed r16

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2011/04/19 14:55:17 (permalink)

Firewire card-For zed r16

Currently using Sonar x1 pro-I have just purchased an allen and heath zed r16 and it has a 6 to 6 pin and 6 to 4 firewire lead with it.I want to run it with my pc.
I Used to use a delta 66.

Do I need to replace this card and put a firewire card in?If so any good ones recommended or do they all do the same job?

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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/19 14:57:40 (permalink)
    Most audio applications work best with a TI chip set.  You don't need the delta, but you don't need to take it out if you have an open slot.  You will need to choose the A&H drivers and inputs in SONAR, tho.

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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/19 15:01:11 (permalink)
    Thanks a lot for that do you think theTexas Instruments chipset firewire card will do?

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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/19 15:14:24 (permalink)
    don't get a "combo" card - get a PCI to 1394A card only.  don't get one that has 1394B or USB or LAN or anything else on it.  make sure it has a TI chipset.  Most of the inexpensive ones don't have TI, they have VIA.

    I bought 3 different cards before I got one that worked correctly.  the first one i got was a combo 1394A/1394B PCIe card.  it didn't work.  then I got a cheap PCI 1394A card.  it had VIA chipset.  it was SIIG, even tho the computer builders recommend SIIG, some of them have VIA chipsets so you have to watch out which one you get.

    the 3rd was the charm and it was PCI/1394A only with TI Chipset.  I can probably find the model number for you if you want.
     
    EDIT:  here's the one I got and it works great with my MOTU:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16800998056
     
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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/19 15:35:21 (permalink)
    Hey Reece?
    Is there a way to make sure you get the TI chipset on the card or is that all that comes on your particular card.  I didnt see it listed anywhere unless I just over looked it.

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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/19 15:41:09 (permalink)

    Is there a way to make sure you get the TI chipset on the card or is that all that comes on your particular card. I didnt see it listed anywhere unless I just over looked it.
     
    You have to check prior to ordering/purchasing.
    If you've ever seen a TI chipset FW controller, you'll recognize the look of the chip with Ti logo.
    Look at the card... 
    Once installed, you can look in Device Manager under 1394 Bus Host Controllers.
    If it specifically mentions TI OHCI Compliant... you've got a TI chipset FW controller.
    BTW, TI chipset FW controllers typically aren't the cheapest models.
    If your FW controller was bought for $10-$20, you can be pretty sure it's not a TI unit.
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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/19 15:50:46 (permalink)
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    Is there a way to make sure you get the TI chipset on the card or is that all that comes on your particular card. I didnt see it listed anywhere unless I just over looked it.
     
    You have to check prior to ordering/purchasing.
    If you've ever seen a TI chipset FW controller, you'll recognize the look of the chip with Ti logo.
    Look at the card... 
    Once installed, you can look in Device Manager under 1394 Bus Host Controllers.
    If it specifically mentions TI OHCI Compliant... you've got a TI chipset FW controller.
    BTW, TI chipset FW controllers typically aren't the cheapest models.
    If your FW controller was bought for $10-$20, you can be pretty sure it's not a TI unit.

    this is right BUT for example some of the firewire cards like SIIG put their sticker on top of the TI chip so you can't tell just by looking at it.  that was my problem on one of the cards I described above.
     
    charlie - look at that newegg link I gave above.  then go to the DETAILS tab and it lists TI chipset.
     
    but again, be careful because that PCIe COMBO card I got WAS a TI chipset and it said so in the DETAILS, but it didn't work right.  Scott from ADK posted on here and told me it was because of the Combo card (1394A & 1394B ports on it).

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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/19 15:53:41 (permalink)
    Thanks Jim, I had previously picked up that Dell XPS 8100 before meeting you. I havent yanked the hood off to see if the one FW port it has is a TI or if it would be wise to get a seperate card and install it.  Looking online, I realy cant see the chips detail to tell if they are TIs and unfortunately it looks like they dont post it in the specs either.  I guess Ill tear my system open and see what slots I have on the MOBO then go on the hunt for the card. Didnt mean to hijack the thread but Im gettting the ZedR here soon as well and am getting prepared.


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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/19 15:57:43 (permalink)
    this is right BUT for example some of the firewire cards like SIIG put their sticker on top of the TI chip so you can't tell just by looking at it. that was my problem on one of the cards I described above.

     
    That's true with SIIG...
    But if you're familiar with the look of the TI chip... you can still tell it's a TI chip.  

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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/19 15:58:31 (permalink)
    Mike - no need to open the computer - look in the Device Manager under 1394 bus host controllers.  it will tell you there what the chipset is.

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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/19 16:02:03 (permalink)
    Thanks Reece,  Sorry I was late posting and didnt catch your latest.  Im pulling the cover to see what I have.  From experience I guess the best way is to stay with just 1394 and no combo's?

    This probably isnt something Ill find at best buy is it?  Price isnt a factor.

    Ill check back later


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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/19 16:07:18 (permalink)
    from my experience I would stick with JUST a 1394A controller and no combos.

    haha - if you're getting it at BB then price had better not be a factor!  ;-)
    I just searched BB and they only have 1 PCI/1394A card and that's a Dynex.  I can't tell from the picture, but it doesn't look like a TI chip to me (but it doesn't look like VIA either, so I'm not sure what it is) and the product specs listed don't say.

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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/19 19:49:28 (permalink)
    Okay so heres what Ive came up with,
    The FW that came with the XPS is integrated on the MOBO-No Good for the ZEDR16 I assume?
    I do have one open PCI1 slot on the MOBO

    So now I just need to be sure with the correct board to get for it and where.


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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/19 19:56:59 (permalink)
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    Okay so heres what Ive came up with,
    The FW that came with the XPS is integrated on the MOBO-No Good for the ZEDR16 I assume?
    I do have one open PCI1 slot on the MOBO

    So now I just need to be sure with the correct board to get for it and where.

    well, not necessarily.  some motherboards have TI firewire chipsets.  it's easiest to go to the device manager and look there to determine what the chipset is for your motherboard's firewire.
     
    when you say PCI1 was that a typo?  do you mean PCI or PCIe?

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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/19 21:18:34 (permalink)
    Yeh, Its PCI, sorry bout that
    Heres the link-Its the I7-870  with 8gb
    I know Ive checked the Device manager before and I believe it didnt list the information. Ill recheck in the morning on that. 
    http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/studio8100/en/cs/cs_en.pdf
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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/20 09:12:22 (permalink)
    The MOBO has the H57
    The 1394 shows VIA OHCI Compliant

    I guess its safe to say adding a good board will be in order? 


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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/20 09:26:54 (permalink)
    Does this look like the correct one for what Im need or ??? better options?
    http://www.datavis.com/cgi-bin/product.cgi?prrfnbr=477662&site=GOGL

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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/20 09:50:44 (permalink)
    Hey, Mike - no the one you linked to is not good for 2 reasons.  1) it's a VIA chipset - I can tell from the picture that the chip on it says VIA.  2) this is a 1394B (800Mbit/s).  while that's not necessarily a bad thing, your A&H Zed is 400Mbit/s or 1394A, so it's not necessary to get the 800 instead of the 400 to match your hardware.

    is there a reason you want to use that particular store?  I looked thru their inventory and didn't see any PCI/1394A cards with TI chips on them.

    the one I linked to above at newegg should work, tho, if you can order from newegg - you should be able to use them, you'll just have to wait on them to deliver it is all.

    if you're wanting something you can drive to and get maybe?  do you have a Fry's electronics near you? 

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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/20 10:54:42 (permalink)
    Ahhh   No reason for the one I posted, just not sure what Im looking at. I searched " PCI 1394 TI Chipset" and that was one of the selections. I didnt see many and was trying to see some docs or a good image of the card but unlucky in my efforts. I just assumed it was cause it stated TI Chipset somewhere.

    Not sure on the FRYs , Ill have to check but I dont have a prob ordering online either.  Im kinda a Face to Face person when buying things is why I generally go that way. LOL


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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/20 10:58:55 (permalink)
    TI is the best chip for compatibility.  However, I've run TCK and Presonus on a VIA chipset with no problem.  I'd test it before I bought another FW card.

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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/20 11:05:43 (permalink)
    i know that some people can use some hardware on VIA.  my MOTU did not like VIA, tho.  I got popping/static like the latency was too low no matter what the setting.

    Mike - that link to newegg will work, or if you have a Frys electronics or a similar computer store near you then go there.  stores like Best Buy and Staples, etc are not really the best place to buy computer parts, IMO, they are more for "consumer level" and not a specific use like audio.

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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/20 11:21:13 (permalink)
    Wonderful!!!
    Thanks Reece,
    Ill be in Naperville IL next week and it looks like there is one right there in Downers Grove. Ill just load the DAW up, take it with so there wont be any questions with them and take a print out of your link and explain what I need. 

    If it $20 or $80 its worth knowing ya have a good setup instead of worrying about every lil thing that comes up.  Just added security.

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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/20 11:23:13 (permalink)
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    TI is the best chip for compatibility.  However, I've run TCK and Presonus on a VIA chipset with no problem.  I'd test it before I bought another FW card.

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    Thanks for the advice AT, Im just gonna do the card that is known to be good in an effort to eliminate any future hassles.
     
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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/20 11:25:57 (permalink)
    good - just tell them it HAS to be a TI chipset (and if you open the package and look at the board you can see the TI logo unless it has a sticker on it, if it has a sticker on it, then I wouldn't get it unless the description on the package specifically says it's TI.

    you also need to get 1394A only, not 1394B and no USB, no IDE or any other ports on the card.

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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/20 11:58:39 (permalink)

    Does this look like the correct one for what Im need or ??? better options? http://www.datavis.com/cgi-bin/product.cgi?prrfnbr=477662&site=GOGL
     
    Not the one you want...
    Look closely at the logo on the chip.
    Looks a lot like the Via logo...  
    ADS makes a good TI chipset FW controller as does SIIG (make sure it's TI with the later as they do use other chipsets).
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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/04/20 12:05:57 (permalink)
    Jim Roseberry



    Does this look like the correct one for what Im need or ??? better options? http://www.datavis.com/cgi-bin/product.cgi?prrfnbr=477662&site=GOGL
     
    Not the one you want...
    Look closely at the logo on the chip.
    Looks a lot like the Via logo...  
    ADS makes a good TI chipset FW controller as does SIIG (make sure it's TI with the later as they do use other chipsets).

    Thanks Jim,
    You guys will get me trained up eventually.  I hardly ever see enough parts to recognize the logos but Im not afraid to learn.
     
     
    Adding this to the list Im taking--"ADS makes a good TI chipset FW controller as does SIIG (make sure it's TI with the later as they do use other chipsets)"


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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/05/08 13:40:16 (permalink)
    Thanks a lot Beagle-i had the card after all and the desk arrived yesterday-now i have the problem of setting it up ;-(
    Think i'm going to be on here a lot till i get it right!!!

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    Re:Firewire card-For zed r16 2011/05/10 12:44:15 (permalink)
    Local

    I own the R16. It's a great desk. To install it on the DAW, be sure to follow the install directions exactly as written. It matters what order you do things in during the set up. Take your time and tick off the steps one at a time.
    That being said, mine installed perfectly, and has been running flawlessly for over a year.

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