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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/02 12:15:47
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Hi Kenny, long time no hear....good to see you brother K!! :)) Very cool stuff on Jimi....I'm listening to it now. Interestingly, I was watching a George Lynch (or Steve Stevens) video the other day and one of them said that Hendrix knew music theory really well.....whereas Alan Holdsworth doesn't know any theory. I would've thought it to be the other way around...... 
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/02 12:42:53
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Hi Mesh ,
Jimi has some cool stuff going on there ..it's nice to talk w you again .
Kenny
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2018/03/02 14:25:28
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Hi Kenny, long time no hear....good to see you brother K!! :))
Very cool stuff on Jimi....I'm listening to it now. Interestingly, I was watching a George Lynch (or Steve Stevens) video the other day and one of them said that Hendrix knew music theory really well.....whereas Alan Holdsworth doesn't know any theory. I would've thought it to be the other way around......
Holdsworth kind of bypassed conventional theory and invented his own system. There's a video on YouTube where he discusses his approach to scales, and it's interesting watching.
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/02 14:28:10
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Mesh
Hi Kenny, long time no hear....good to see you brother K!! :))
Very cool stuff on Jimi....I'm listening to it now. Interestingly, I was watching a George Lynch (or Steve Stevens) video the other day and one of them said that Hendrix knew music theory really well.....whereas Alan Holdsworth doesn't know any theory. I would've thought it to be the other way around......
Holdsworth kind of bypassed conventional theory and invented his own system. There's a video on YouTube where he discusses his approach to scales, and it's interesting watching.
Thanks James....will check it out. I should've said Holdsworth didn't study any music theory (he probably knows it).....
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/02 15:35:34
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i knew this album was about to come out....
having read about it in guitar player magazine......
i'm always on the fence, with these 'posthumous' releases...
the artist has no say so.
that said, the producer was there.
LOL
and it adds a level of integrity to it....
i loved 'crash landing' when it first came out,
and didn't really 'get' that it was a release that alan douglas took control over, without any input from the artist (he was dead)
and added tracks with session players that had never existed, and all that...
i didn't know all that, but still loved the album, based on the strength of hendrix's performances alone.
that said, after electric ladyland (my all time favorite) i'd have to say that "First Rays of the New Rising Sun"
is a favorite of mine....
despite the fact that RS panned it.
it's an awesome album.
i'll give this one a shot too....
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/02 16:05:28
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Sharke - I want to listen to that Holdsworth youtube video. It's him talking about scales?
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/02 16:20:18
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standouts:
"Things I Used To Do"
"$20 Fine"
"Stepping Stone"
"The Power of Soul"
"Georgia Blues" is pretty dialed in
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/02 16:22:53
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Voda La Void...experiments in disturbing frequencies...
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/02 16:36:10
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wait, that's not hendrix.....or is it?
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/02 17:13:04
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THANKS KENNY FOR THE FRED!!!!
I love it
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/02 17:18:49
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Voda La Void
bayoubill
Sharke - I want to listen to that Holdsworth youtube video. It's him talking about scales?
I think it's this one...watching now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wts2Mw6Nb5s
LOL I have the video. I forgot I had that one. Chronic amnesia! Thanks for reminding me
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/02 17:25:42
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I lost the booklet that came with the Holdsworth video. I don't know if it's still available. That was a long time ago
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/03 03:05:44
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When was the last time you heard BB King teach a class on music theory ? What about Carlos Santana ? Jeff Beck ? Eric Clapton ? Jimmy Page ? Chet Atkins ? or Wes Montgomery ? Each and every player I just mentioned including dozens more players that have stood the test of time were on the scene back then when Jimi broke and made it big 50 years ago ... Think about it for a moment . What does that tell you ? All of those players spent time working on the language of playing music not the theory of playing . They each chose to create their own music vocabulary ... Each player mentioned has very different phrasing , timing & tone . Some are storytellers . Some follow the rules for a while just to break the rules ... Yeah , They all play The Geetar , VIVA ! the fret board Revolution They all sound fantastic . Each and every one of them players can lay claim to having their own highly unique way of playing and sound , Then Jimi comes along and does a Musical Columbus & shows the whole World that Music and The Whole Musical Universe is not flat ... Some of us were there for that back then ..Some of us may still even be talking about it 50 years later ... This new stuff sounds pretty good in a lot of areas ...It is nice to hear how he took some of this playing and honed it in tighter for the music he released back then when he was alive ... His playing and ideas were sure very solid  Peace Out for now Kenny
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/03 03:14:08
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Bummer. No audio available in Canukistan.
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/03 03:33:40
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bayoubill
Sharke - I want to listen to that Holdsworth youtube video. It's him talking about scales?
I think it's this one...watching now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wts2Mw6Nb5s
Yep that's the one I watched.
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/03 14:27:22
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Can't find more than this detailing who played on the individual tracks:
"Though its track list includes a tune with original Jimi Hendrix Experience members Mitch Mitchell and Noel Redding, the bulk of the set features the lineup that became Band of Gypsies – bassist Billy Cox and drummer Buddy Miles." Other than the guest list of course.
My guess is that Mitch is drumming on Hear my Train A Comin' and Sweet Angel (my personal favorite).
For me it just isn't Hendrix without Mitch; something about the way he uses the kick seems to
free Jimi up to really soar.
As to Noel, I couldn't care less.
Woodstock is a rare gem; very much a treat to hear Stills working up its eventual arrangement.
Can't ever get enough of Johnny Winter, so Things I Used To Do has to go on my "I loved it" list.
Is this an A+ production, nay; but its all we have and I'll pick it up.
The Radio One sessions remain my favorite posthumous work; but of course Jimi had "completed"
those...
T
PS: as to "music theory"?
Its how lesser musicians explain what Jeff Beck, Hendrix. et al are doing (or have done).
Yes, we all need to understand I IIm IV V etc. and it is "convenient" to label the various scales;
especially for the purposes teaching.
But do I ever think "I'll go all Mixolydian or Lydian this one"; really?
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/04 02:27:40
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Right Deer, Kenny,
Technologists after the fact trying to put an analysis quantitative on something that just flowed with the artist who didn't give a fork about intonation and scales. They just played and magic happened.
On the downside, with all the brilliance of these songs, it was an omen of Jimi's downward spiral with drugs and alcohol. You can damn me for blasphemy, but just how I see it.
Neptune came out even though it was not supposed to be posthume. Jimi played with his incredible style, but something was going south. Studio polished but relying on old riffs, remakes. The content of the songs not as original and creative as his earlier stuff.
Same with Both Sides. Either redefining himself as a three chord blues player or something was slipping.
As a guitarist, Jimi is and always has been my idol. Not slamming him like an ignorant slob, just looking at the progression of his legacy. So fortunate to have these new cuts. Made my day. Thanks Kenny.
John
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/04 12:04:43
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batsbrew
standouts:
"Things I Used To Do"
"$20 Fine"
"Stepping Stone"
"The Power of Soul"
"Georgia Blues" is pretty dialed in
agreed . bayoubill
THANKS KENNY FOR THE FRED!!!!
I love it
You are welcome Bill all I did was see this at another forum I frequent and post the info here ... ampfixer
Bummer. No audio available in Canukistan.
USA PBS audiences only ? sorry about that ... After listening to these tunes a few times over the past few days, I still have this one thought that I keep wondering about ... What Jimi would think if he was able to travel to the future and play his guitar out of what most of us here have now as far as plugs and amp sims go ...even what just came w SONAR I can't seem to shake that thought .. Kenny
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/04 21:30:40
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Think I was a bit hard on Jimi. There is some brilliant guitar work in many of the songs, though I sense the effect of wear and tear on his inspiration and originality. Still though, trying to imagine hearing the songs back in that time.
Have also had a thought I was wondering about the last couple days, sorta in the same line as Kenny.
If Hendrix were transported here today, would he be able to make anywhere near the same impact as then. Or would he be drowned out in the sheer volume of noise and not have any impact at all.
John
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/04 22:51:14
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A musician like Hendrix was exceptional. There were plenty of players around at the time that could have been as innovative but Jimi was in a league all his own. He created and reinvented sound that never existed before. never existed before He turned distortion and feedback from a mere effect into intricate music and integrated it into the song itself to become part of the music. There wasn't a presence or anyone to draw from. He could't go down to the local music store to buy strings prefabricated for rock. He took what he had available and turned it into something like no one did before. If Jimi Hendrix were here today his genius would be present in whatever endeavor he put himself into
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/05 01:34:37
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Not disputing Jimi's visionary talent. Every guitar lick I play has some mediocre wannabe influence from that Master.
What I wonder about is the timing of it all and what happens if we are outside the window of opportunity that allows us access to the front stage. Like what they said about Abraham Lincoln if he tried to run now.
Going retrospect, there are several artists on this forum that if teleported back to the 60's would already be inducted into the hall of fame. Some of you guys are incredible musicians and your original material worth more than anything on the radio in the present.
Problem is if it will ever be heard outside a link in the songs forum if by chance anyone clicks on it.
Going off topic with this, but was wondering how much Hendrix would impact today's music if he showed up on the street with his Fuzzface, strat, Cry Baby wa, his vision and tried to make a statement in the current marketplace.
There is so much bleeding garbage out there from bedroom studios that the real gems are too often lost in the noise. Was really really lucky when I was a banger in the 60's. The university town had 3 guitar players of any respect. We got to divide up all the girls and only had to have the volume set high enough to be invited to the after gig party. Now it seems that too many worthy artists are drowned out in a sea of garbage begging "Listen to me".
Firm believer that evolution and progress over the bigger picture is getting us to a better place. Will happen, only hard to see the benefit in it for the individual artist right now.
John
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/05 10:58:22
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bayoubill
A musician like Hendrix was exceptional. There were plenty of players around at the time that could have been as innovative but Jimi was in a league all his own. He created and reinvented sound that never existed before.
never existed before He turned distortion and feedback from a mere effect into intricate music and integrated it into the song itself to become part of the music. There wasn't a presence or anyone to draw from. He could't go down to the local music store to buy strings prefabricated for rock. He took what he had available and turned it into something like no one did before. If Jimi Hendrix were here today his genius would be present in whatever endeavor he put himself into
Great post Bill Kenny
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/05 12:40:24
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The fact that Jimi was a “genius” is indisputable. But let’s not forget Beck had laid the foundation in his time with the Yardbirds. “Shapes”, for example, was recorded in September ‘65. I’m not saying Jimi didn’t mutate it, massage it, and take it to the next level. Chas Chandler, in “The making of Electric Lady Land” describes Jimi as a “sponge” IIRC. Always searching, listening, learning; then blending and creating.
Perhaps searching for”inspiration” would best describe it.
I doubt much of what has been released would “pass muster” had he lived.
Just my nickel98...
T
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Re: First Listen: Jimi Hendrix, 'Both Sides Of The Sky'
2018/03/05 13:31:32
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A few random thoughts ... When I think about " what if Jimi had the tools some of us have " I was thinking more in terms of the absolute power of being able to shape sounds ...not just the gtr sounds ...including the overall sounds he may have used to get his tune and tunes messages across ... With Jimi's imagination and creativity I'm sure what ever he may have come up with would have been a real ear opener ... It was brought up " If Jimi was alive today " where would he and his music be ? Hhhmmm that's a real tough one .... I have no answers on that one because it would be purely speculative on my part to go there I can say that a number of musicians and guitar players I used to listen to back when Jimi was alive are still with us .. Some have prospered and still gig .Some have quietly cut back on performing .In a few cases who knows what they are up to . Of the players that are still alive I listened to from Jimi's Era , Clapton , Beck , Page , Santana ,Pete Townshend , Leslie West , Roy Clark , and a few others ....the only one that I don't hear much about these days is Roy Clark  I listened to Roy for 2 hrs the other night ...I listened to Leslie West for 2 hrs last night so I dig their playing much better than I like many of the new breed players ...... Yeah as far as Jimi sounding dated or a little stale by today's standards . It's not Jimi's fault that he was so creative and fresh sounding that every body copped his stuff ... Heck there are even a few guitar players that have made a decent career out of sounding just like Jimi ... I wont mention any names ...only initials . .....SRV & R T come to mind ....  Anyway , I'm happy people are expressing themselves ( myself included ) all the best, Kenny
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