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First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
I thought maybe I had some pops in some sound splices of samples... maybe i forgot to shorten and fade them... but when i zoomed in and listened in different players, the clicks are in different places... WTF???? No clipping or funny peaks that I could see. anyone ever see that before?
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/23 17:06:46
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Normally, dropouts aren't a problem with exports, but they can happen. Most often, it'll be a sampler or sample-based synth that's the problem. Or more accurately, a disk I/O problem. If you can identify one track that's the source of the pops, and it's a virtual instrument, you can avoid the problem by freezing that track before exporting. It might require a slow bounce. If that advice doesn't apply, it's also possible that excessive DPC latency is causing the dropouts. A slow bounce will usually get around that problem. Just un-check the "fast bounce" option in the Export Audio dialog. Another possibility is you're running out of RAM during the export. Easiest workaround for that is to disable the "64-bit Engine" option in the Export dialog. It won't audibly affect your export quality, but it will cut the amount of memory needed in half.
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/23 17:34:59
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but it's in the rendered .wav, flac, mp3 playback in different places??? played back in audacity, WMP, whatever... the noise is still not in the same place on the recording. must be halloween.
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/24 03:58:14
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Still not clear. Are you saying a rendered wave file plays back with clicks and pops in different places depending on what player application you are using? That is completely different from the issue that a wave a FLAC and an MP3 rendering of the same project have a different location for the artefact. The latter is not unexpected since the processing of the same data by different algorithms will produce different output, including clipping at different locations. Or are you saying that the same project rendered twice as two different wave files causes the two files to have artefacts at different locations? Again not unexpected as random parameters in softsynths and effects actually produce different wave files on two different runs of rendering. And if you have "zoomed in" on the "clicks and pops" what is causing the clicks and pops when you look at the file "zoomed in?"
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/24 05:03:19
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The Interweb is the main culprit for me. Most of the time it doesn't cause problems but pops and clicks always seem to happen during a great take  so I turn it off most of the time.
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/24 13:26:16
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Are you saying a rendered wave file plays back with clicks and pops in different places depending on what player application you are using? even playing back using the same player to try to isolate the pops, it doesn't happen twice in a row! And if you have "zoomed in" on the "clicks and pops" what is causing the clicks and pops when you look at the file "zoomed in?"I've zoomed in and looked for a pop in the waveform but i see nothing... and when i isolate a pop area to look at the waveform, it won't be audible on replay, so I listen to that area over and over, and it is audible in a different location of the waveform, and of course, no pops visible. It doesn't even happen on other songs. here's a 13 sec clip on sc... if you don't hear it then it's some type of interference from my system. I listen to this and sometimes it's perfectly clean, other times i can hear maybe up to 4 pops or clicks... https://soundcloud.com/markrelford/pop-check
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/24 14:38:20
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☄ Helpfulby Maarkr 2015/10/25 09:59:16
I didn't hear any clicks/pops in the playback. I've had a few occasions of rendering noise into my final file. I've found the problems as bitflipper suggests - overtaxing the memory. I've gone to always turning off fast-bounce for any larger project, and freezing any synth's before final rendering. Once I had forgotten to bounce a Melodyne edited clip and that was causing it. A few times it's been some of my more memory-intense plug-ins (such as convolution reverb), bouncing those tracks before rendering solved it.
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/25 10:13:49
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if nobody hears any clicks or pops, then my system playback is introducing them. But from what? and again, it is not anything in the recording from a bounce or the buffer or fast-bounce... if I loop the playback, clicks and pops occurs in random locations at random playback intervals... it may play back 3 times clean, then a pop at 6 secs on the next playback, then a click at 2 secs into it on the next. driving me nuts... UPDATE I just changed the Firewire driver latency on my Saffire Pro 24 to 'very long'. I looped the clip about 20 times and only heard about 1 faint click on them all. I was not aware that the setting affected normal computer playback. After going back in to the mix control to check it, the 'Firewire Driver Latency' was grayed out in Settings. Maybe I'll call Focusrite and ask about this.
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/25 10:26:40
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I have seen this before and in my case was introduced by Windows processes with higher priority. The wi-fi driver is a huge offender, but there are others. Take a good look at processes running and disable (esp at start up) ones that you do not need.
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/25 13:05:49
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You might try listening to the rendered file on any other available system. It appears from the responses so far the problem may be specific to your PC setup. The last BIOS for a Z77 is dated January 2014, so your setup was tested only through Windows 7/8. You may need to update your mobo or drop back to W7.
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/25 13:16:53
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I think something to do with the audio drivers and cpu or other gear or MB issues might be at hand in this one. Random clicks and pops...is a sure sign of something not working right..or conflicting with...((as I see it)) So try some tweaking of the system..if not already done...a wide list of things to do....if you seek em you will find em here, already posted of past troubleshooting methods...and setup for...Audio, with Firewire and or USB or thunderbolt or ethernet...ect... So you can also try buffers and such...but that is not going to solve for random noise...The cpu, memory, or other IRQ interupts will cause on random timings of the system...and or apps running in the background....which can cause interupts of playback, and or video playback. ""Turn off redundant devices "" = /no overclocking/speed step and VT/wi fi/ internet nic, and or on board audio if not needed...and no HDMI audio...if not needed...disabled...in bios is one thing I do for on board gear not necessary for audio or video work....wich reduces services loaded at boot up, and driver loading...and cpu calls for them. then apps running in background...redundant to the work being done, snuffed out and or turned off. config sys...stop all auto updates!!...dependent on your needs also....no nic...no updates...no need for auto updates...so turn off the service would end that service from running...or booting with windows. Adobe pdf reader seems to not obey here to that process.....But, it has not killed my audio...and i can uninstall now open office opens pdf files...so ways around that can be undertaken....and turn off defender, and anti virus apps. Should help...? if not, perhaps something with slot placement in the pc/MB and conflicts in that shared process. setup....read the MB manual for shared slots...move any card on shared slot for audio onto one that has the least shared devices...or one free slot not shared. Cheers. Hope it helps..
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/25 16:30:25
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Can't see peoples signatures but if it just started happening on Jamaica you might try a roll back until next release..
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/10/25 16:40:49
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/27 10:00:14
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This is from the Focusrite people: Optimising your PC for audio on Windows 10 Optimising your PC for audio on Windows 10All of the tuning tips below should be implemented if you want to achieve high speed, low latency audio recording and playback without glitches with your audio interface. If you are experiencing pops/clicks when recording or playing back audio please try following the instructions below. Please note that the steps below assume that you have the view in Control Panel set to 'Small/Large Icons' rather than 'Categories'. General optimisation:1. Set your computer's power for high performanceIf your computer is set to conserve energy, the CPU may not be running at full speed all of the time. This can have a detrimental effect on your computer's audio performance. To set your computer's power for high performance: - Go to: Control Panel>Power Options - Choose "High Performance" - Then click the "Change plan settings" button. Make sure both power options are set to "Never". 2. Disable system soundsSystem sounds can interrupt audio. Ensure that they are disabled by doing the following: - Go to control panel and select "Sound" - Go to the sounds tab - Under sounds scheme, select "No sounds" - Click "Apply" then, "OK" 3. Set processor scheduling to "Background services"This will improve the performance of your audio drivers on your computer. To do this: - In control panel select "system" - Go to "Advanced system settings" and then the "Advanced" tab - Click on "Settings.." under Performance to bring up the "Performance Options" window. - Go to the "Advanced" tab and set processor scheduling as "Background Services" - Click "Apply" then "OK" 4. Disable Windows Firewall, anti-virus and spyware softwareThese should all be disabled to ensure that no interferences occur during audio recording or playback and to ensure that maximum resources are available. To remain secure while your firewall and antivirus disabled, it is advisable to temporarily disconnect from any internet connections when working with audio. This will also make sure that no network adapters are conflicting with any audio. Advanced optimisation:If you wish to optimise your system further, or you are using a system that is particularly lacking in resources you can follow the tips below for advanced optimisation. Disable Visual effectsThe visual features in Windows 10 can use resources that could otherwise help to improve audio performance. As a start, it is good idea to disable some of the visual features by doing the following: - Bring back up the "Performance Options" window by following step 3 above and clicking on the "Visual Effects" tab and selecting "custom". - Untick: "Animate windows when minimising and maximising" to help prevent glitches when minimising and maximising. You can also experiment with disabling other visual effects in the custom list to see how they improve audio performance. - Once finished, press "OK" If you wish to optimise your Windows 10 graphics for the best performance use the "Adjust for best performance" option. Disable Network cardsSometimes, network card drivers can cause problems with audio. A good troubleshooting step is to try disabling your network adapters in Device Manager, and then test local audio (like an .mp3) and see if you continue to have issues. This is also a good optimisation step in general. Disabled adpaters can easily be re-enabled at any point. Disable Windows servicesOne way in which you can make more resources available to improve audio performance, is to disable unnecessary Windows 10 services as these use valuable resources. The following site has a comprehensive guide to the services running on Windows 10 and helps locate the services that are safe to disable: Windows 10 Service Configurations by Black ViperPlease note that we would recommend that disabling Windows services should be done only by advanced users. If you are still experiencing audio performance problems after optimising your computer for audio, please Contact Technical Support
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/27 10:11:33
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Maarkr 4. Disable Windows Firewall, anti-virus and spyware software These should all be disabled to ensure that no interferences occur during audio recording or playback and to ensure that maximum resources are available. To remain secure while your firewall and antivirus disabled, it is advisable to temporarily disconnect from any internet connections when working with audio.
Do NOT disable your firewall unless you are crazy. Antivirus can work perfectly well when you exclude your project folders and the SONAR.EXE process (and a few other optimizations). Do not disable UAC for that matter either. I'm going to drop Focusrite an email if that's what they recommend, it's pretty wreckless advice unless it's just for testing purposes.
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/27 10:17:10
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OK I have a saffire pro 40. Sometimes this clears it up.. Uninstall mix control, reboot, install mix control (latest), reboot, reset settings and default hardware in mix control. Set it up again. It do something similar with whatever interface you have. Make sure in the end you are on latest drivers and firmware. Other stuff. Update BIOS and motherboard chipset drivers. Disable unnecessary startup programs and services. Uninstall unnecessary applications from windows. Rule out a dodgy plugin by starting Sonar in safe mode. Download a copy of latencymon. Work it out from there. In some cases you may need to disable network card whilst recording. For my scenario I found Sonar JP to be the lead suspect as there is a bug that maxes out the first CPU core (check task manager). Rolled back . It happens but it's extremely rare these situations are down to hardware (drivers and firmware maybe). If it was working before an update almost zero chance. Cheers..
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/10/27 10:32:04
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/27 12:58:02
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One unlikely thing, but worth mentioning - utilities like F.lux which dim your monitor after sunset are also likely to introduce pops into audio playback, because they make regular requests of the graphics driver that can interfere with other high-priority background processes like audio handling.
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/27 13:34:18
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Kylotan One unlikely thing, but worth mentioning - utilities like F.lux which dim your monitor after sunset are also likely to introduce pops into audio playback, because they make regular requests of the graphics driver that can interfere with other high-priority background processes like audio handling.
There's a setting on f.lux that stops that.
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/27 13:36:18
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Noise on the mains? Dodgy earthing on a cable somewhere?
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/27 13:38:13
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Maarkr 3. Set processor scheduling to "Background services" This will improve the performance of your audio drivers on your computer.
This is along-ago debunked "optimization". Don't do it. Drivers are drivers, not services. You'll just be taking priority away from SONAR which is precisely not what you want to do. Disable Visual effects
Be careful with this one as well. SONAR's Now time cursor, and possibly other graphical elements depend on some of these functions. I second the Doktor's order to use LatencyMon to check your DPC latency. DPC spikes are highly likely to be causing the real-time audio glitches, and LatencyMon will help you identify the root cause. It's very unusual for that to manifest in files rendered offline; you might just be hearing new real-time pops/clicks on playback of those files unless they're occurring at the exact same place every time and can be seen as discontinuities in the displayed waveform when you zoom in.
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/27 13:44:32
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+1 on what Brundlefly says.
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/27 14:31:07
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Kylotan One unlikely thing, but worth mentioning - utilities like F.lux which dim your monitor after sunset are also likely to introduce pops into audio playback, because they make regular requests of the graphics driver that can interfere with other high-priority background processes like audio handling.
There's a setting on f.lux that stops that.
Such as? They don't mention that in the docs, but instead suggest a video card driver update will fix it (which it doesn't, at least not for AMD cards).
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/27 14:40:39
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I'm in Spain nowhere near a PC. There's only a few settings in there anyway, one of them is to reduce cycles, can't remember the terminology they used but it's fairly obvious if you see it. Maybe a right click or something from memory. Could be a later version than you have.
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/28 03:00:21
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Do NOT disable your firewall unless you are crazy.
Generally good advice, but in this situation and in the context of other things they have said, particularly disabling network/network cards, I can't see an issue, but whatever, my firewalls are turned off permanently except for in the router itself.
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Re: First time i've had this... random clicks and pops in the rendered file.
2015/10/28 07:16:07
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Focusrite did not stress network card and firewall should be turned off at the same time. IMHO there is very little performance benefit turning off firewall with modern computers anyway... Unless you have a port blocking issue it's silly advice.
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