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2015/05/08 13:18:12 (permalink)

Fishman Tripleplay

Anyone use one of these?  Have you used it with Sonar and/or Rapture/Rapture Pro, Dim Pro?  Which others?
 
I'm getting the itch for something new to go with Rapture Pro

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/08 13:59:44 (permalink)
    Not trying to change the topic, but have you checked out Midi Guitar by JamOrigin? Some of the Sonar users who have used Fishman, Yourock guitar, Sonuus G2m, Roland etc... are now using Jamorigin MG2. I also was looking at Fishman, but for $99, Jamorigin is one of the better (if not best) solutions for midi guitar. There's a also thread in the software forum on this.    
     
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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/08 14:50:49 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info.  I'm not sold on Fishman, it's just the first non-propriety option I've found so far.  Or it was 

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/08 14:58:03 (permalink)
    Bob, you can also demo (for free) it to see if you like it.

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/08 15:01:39 (permalink)
    I just downloaded it.  I can't find a way to even pay for it.  There is a new version beta up though, maybe they're using 1.0 as bait  :)

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/08 15:51:47 (permalink)
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    I just downloaded it.  I can't find a way to even pay for it.  There is a new version beta up though, maybe they're using 1.0 as bait  :)


    Just scroll down (on link above) and the BUY icon is towards the bottom of the page.
     
    Version 1 is the official release.......version 2 is in Beta and was just released last week.
     
    There's also an ongoing thread  (with the developer's interaction) on it at KVR over here:  http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=359095&start=1065 

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/08 15:55:59 (permalink)
    Thanks again!

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/09 22:10:52 (permalink)
    I looked at the Triple play which is included on a few guitars like Godin. But the price is double what I think it should be all things considered. 
    I'll have to re visit the Jam Origin Midi guitar again. I had a crappy computer last time I demoed it so it didn't work very well. I still have a Roland GR 50 but the sound module sounds like an 8 bit Casio keyboard.  The latency is unusable if you use the midi out live. 
    I miss having the midi guitar. In the day's I used the GR 50 ( 1987?)  the synth was acceptable. Now a GS wavetable synth would blow it away.  Midi guitar is more fun than a room full of stomp boxes. 
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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/10 00:19:35 (permalink)
    Yup, Midi Guitar is insanely cool for the asking price.
     
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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/10 07:40:18 (permalink)
    Thanks for the input folks ...
     
    I plan to demo MIDI Guitar and I've also discovered my GT-001 has a mono audio to MIDI capability.  I don't have high hopes for MIDI out of the GT ...
     
    On paper I like the idea separate sensing for each string AND wireless of the Fishman TP.  More research is needed.  I'm not in a huge hurry  :)

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/10 08:18:42 (permalink)
    Saw the Fishman demo'd at Gearfest last year. Really amazing, and seemed to work very well. But the Jam Origin software looks cool too. I can see advantages to each.

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/10 09:51:50 (permalink)
    Demoed both version 1 and 2 of Midi Guitar. Version 1 has way more latency so don't bother. I see why I didn't bother with it the first time. At least my GR 50 has very little latency when playing the sound module. 
     
    The supplied sounds are useless so don't rate it on that. But it was dead simple to play a VST in Sonar.  I simply patched a short midi cable from my interfaces midi output to the input. Set the midi guitar to your interface midi out, and use your interface midi in as the input for the soft synth.  
     
    And yes, because it does not use a hex pick up, it has no way of detecting strings. So I noticed a weirdness from that when compared to my GR-50. 
    I'm not that impressed that I'm willing to spend $100 even though it works , it has a "shareware" feel to the software. The demo mode is very annoying as it times out while your focused in Sonar about every 2 minutes. And it seems the pitch bending is disabled. So you sort of have to spend the money to really give it a workout.   
    I see where I still will want a hardware midi guitar to retain what I'm used to
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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/10 10:16:42 (permalink)
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    Demoed both version 1 and 2 of Midi Guitar. Version 1 has way more latency so don't bother. I see why I didn't bother with it the first time. At least my GR 50 has very little latency when playing the sound module. 
     
    The supplied sounds are useless so don't rate it on that. But it was dead simple to play a VST in Sonar.  I simply patched a short midi cable from my interfaces midi output to the input. Set the midi guitar to your interface midi out, and use your interface midi in as the input for the soft synth.  
     
    And yes, because it does not use a hex pick up, it has no way of detecting strings. So I noticed a weirdness from that when compared to my GR-50. 
    I'm not that impressed that I'm willing to spend $100 even though it works , it has a "shareware" feel to the software. The demo mode is very annoying as it times out while your focused in Sonar about every 2 minutes. And it seems the pitch bending is disabled. So you sort of have to spend the money to really give it a workout.   
    I see where I still will want a hardware midi guitar to retain what I'm used to




    That's kinda' where I'm leaning.  I like hardware.  Some times  :)
     
    I really wish the Roland stuff had generic MIDI capability.  I would definitely go with one of those Strats that come with the Roland hex pickup if I wasn't forced to use Roland's synths ... at $500 to $800+ a pop.
     
    If I go Fishman and it works as well as the youtube vids would have you believe, I could even see picking up another guitar with great feel and lousy pickups to be a permanent MIDI controller.
     
    We'll see ...
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/10 10:45:34 (permalink)
    I have to admit I haven't tried the newest version of Jam Origin, but version 1 does NOT deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as just about any of the hardware I've used, starting with a Roland GR-30, then a GR-33, and now the Axon. I know there is a big difference in price, but even then, $100 for an almost useless toy with high latency and glitchy detection vs. a system that, although not perfect, actually works pretty well.  Just no comparison in results.  Sure, if you want to dabble a bit and can put up with latency and a few headaches, MIDI Guitar might be a fun toy.
     
    Note: even with the hardware, you will need fairly clean technique and you pretty much need to treat it like a different instrument, IMO.  Don't expect everything you play on guitar to translate perfectly to a synth, and some sounds will work better than others in that respect.  All-in-all I'm firmly in the hardware camp if you want to get the best results, and pretty satisfied with my Axon.  I've heard enough really nice things about the Fishman that it intrigues me as well, but what I have is paid for... so I'm not really GAS-sing so much for it at this point.

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/10 11:15:07 (permalink)
    OK ... I just spent some time with the GT-001 Guitar-MIDI feature and Rap Pro.  As you said, Genghis, some patches sound better suited than others.  BUT ... this is on the verge of being useful!  Enough for me to dabble with the idea long enough to see if my guitar-MIDI GAS waxes or wanes.
     
    I need to see if I can do something useful it as is ... I guess I should try different guitars as well.
     
    Thanks everybody for the input so far.  Keep it coming.

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/10 11:45:42 (permalink)
    I have Fishman TriplePlay and I love it. I have it on a 10 year old Fender Korean Scorpion Showmaster. It's black so you can't even see the TriplePlay. It takes awhile to get set up but if you just keep at it, it is worth it when you get there. I would not install any of the software that comes with it other than the core program. Use the core program to get your settings right, check it in your midi instruments list and then use it just like any midi keyboard. I very seldom open the program just to play a synth. It tracks just as fast as I can play. Sometimes it doesn't make a sound but then I realize I'm trying to play a flute on the low strings. Bends and vibrato can add and "artifact"ish sound but not always. You learn when you can and when you can't. You do learn how to play the guitar a bit different than you did, but that can be a good thing even for your regular guitar playing. You won't get away with "fat finger" string mutes as much as you do on guitar but that's one of those good things it forces to do. Do I like it: yes I love it. Would I want to be without it: no. Is it worth the price, for me? yes. Between my right handed keyboard play, Toontrack EZ Keys and the Fishman, I can get any keyboard part I need. Not just a blah serviceable part. but something that adds to the song. And horns and strings and synths are a blast to play. Putting it on a guitar I already had was not a problem either. Remember you can use the synth part and still have the guitar plugged in so you can record both parts and blend them. Add some delay to the guitar part and pull it up until you get what you want. Lots of fun! Biggest surprises? How good piano sounds using the TriplePlay. And maybe my fav, using an acoustic guitar patch with the Fishman. You can get acoustic guitar that sounds better that a piezo pickup and much faster than miking. They can be good enough to use in your mix but way good enough for a scratch track or a "how would an acoustic guitar sound here?" track. I tried the You Rock deal and it was better than I thought it would be at $250.00 I went with the Fishman.   

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/10 12:12:59 (permalink)
    Thanks BD.  It took me 10 secs to realize that all of style-induced pinch harmonics would need to be cleaned up.  In another 10-15 minutes I had convincing (to me) sax, trumpet, piano, organ and harmonica parts.  All in mono polyphany :-(  Developing cleaner playing technique will obviously be a plus no matter what.
     
    Definite misfires here and there.  I'm going to try adding some guitar-driven synth parts to some actual mixes next.  If that pans out, a Tripleplay will be on my short list.
     
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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/10 12:18:18 (permalink)
    Another question BD - have you tried a slide?

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/10 12:42:10 (permalink)
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    Another question BD - have you tried a slide?


    LOL, I play slide a lot and I never even thought of it! I will look into that when I get time. My thought is you may be able to get a no attack swell like sound with it. This is interesting, thanx BobF.

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/10 12:55:53 (permalink)
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    Another question BD - have you tried a slide?


    LOL, I play slide a lot and I never even thought of it! I will look into that when I get time. My thought is you may be able to get a no attack swell like sound with it. This is interesting, thanx BobF.




    I asked because I'm sitting here playing the the GT's guitar2midi and it has a setting for bend range, which goes all the way to 24 semis.  Sooooo ... ?

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/10 14:50:38 (permalink)
    I have an FTP and it seems pretty good, but I also have a GR-55 and prefer the gtr-to-midi on that to the FTP. That's a question of setup though. Since I already have a system set up and working I haven't spent the time to nail down the FTP set up. YMMV. The Boss GP-10 is about $100 bucks more than the FTP, but has some nice features.  The wireless aspect of the FTP is nice. Have you checked out VGuitar Forums? You'll find a lot of comments/info there.
     
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    I couldn't tell from this thread if you've played midi guitar before. If not, just an FYI, it's really a different instrument - you need a very clean playing style and good palm damping technique is helpful.
     
    I have used the FTP with Rapture. I like rapture, but tend to use Omnisphere for synth and Alchemy for a sampler. I've used it with Z3ta+2, I have the full version of Lounge Lizard and have used it with that as well as some of the Korg synths - the wave station & M1. Reaktor is nice. Guitar synth in general is a lot of fun. The Boss SY-300 looks like it will be fun, but that isn't guitar-to-midi.
     
    Most of the stuff I record I use guitar synth on.
     
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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/10 16:01:43 (permalink)
    @rsinger - cool tunes
     
    My experience with guitar-MIDI is what I've done today with a BOSS  GT-001.  Very limited, but decent enough to get a feel for it and make me want more.
     
    So you have a GR-55 ... are you driving that with a GK-3?  Is it possible to NOT use the Roland synths and use a GK-3 like the FTP to drive softsynths?
     
     

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/10 17:14:32 (permalink)
    This is a great thread for me, as I got a new Triple Play at a store clearance sale. I am just finishing up rewiring my whole set up, so I haven't installed yet. I am looking forward to it after all this feedback!
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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/10 17:17:33 (permalink)
    I use either a gk-2 or Godin LGXT or ACS. For new hw you would need a Roland or Boss synth with gtr-to-midi or for used hw you could use an older Axon model (their latest is now FTP).

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/11 10:11:45 (permalink)
     Roland by-passes MIDI when you play their synths, this is how they dealt with latency. The hex PU is connected directly to the synth. It was and still is the best solution.   My old GR 50 is probably as fast as it ever got, but if you use the midi output, the added latency was disappointing.   Therefore I'm stuck in the 80's with GR 50 synth patches. :( 
     
    I just want to be able to have it set up on a spare guitar and use it on a few songs live. 
    I might look into finding a second hand Newer Roland pedal board system. I sort of always put a price on what I'm willing to pay for luxury items. A midi guitar falls under that category for me. My price is under $300. 
     
    $250 for the triple play?? you say?? ,,, , But I see they are $400 on most sites.
    I guess one can keep an eye out for a sale. 
     http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TriplePlayPU/
     
     
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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/11 10:20:34 (permalink)
    Should be easy to get from MF for $340 during one of those "call us for a coupon" campaigns  :)

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/11 11:06:19 (permalink)
    Yes, that' possible, But for me $340 becomes over $400 Can. from them ( MF)  because they charge outrageous exchange rates, shipping and handling. 
    I added a $99 item to my cart and at check out it was $156 Can. ground shipping. 
    Sweetwater or Tom Lee Music does not add handling and often has free shipping deals. 

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/11 11:22:06 (permalink)
    Sorry ... didn't know your locale.  I do like sweetwater.  If I'm buying a guitar online because nobody has one in a shop, I go to sweetwater.  Plus they throw candy in the box
     
    My second choice is a semi-quasi-local music store.
     
    For other things I can't touch in a store before purchase, I tend to go with GC/MF.  I know they've had a bit of bad press lately, but I've always had good experiences in their stores and online.  I used to love MF when it was the retail side.

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/11 11:32:51 (permalink)
    Remember Mars Music store? I've gotten practically 70% of my gear (that I still use.....including an original Mesa Boogie Blue Angel amp) from them.

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    Re: Fishman Tripleplay 2015/05/11 12:28:07 (permalink)
    I remember Mars ... I remember going to a closing sale up in WI.

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