Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2?

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2017/10/08 12:51:26 (permalink)

Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2?

After many years of tinkering with my home studio in various temporary locations (and with much of my gear stored away in boxes), I'm finally in the process of putting together my permanent home hobby studio. One of the boxed items I'll be unpacking (and actually still NIB) is a Gen 1 Focusrite Scarlett 18i20. 
 
I plan to be running Windows 10 on all my computers for the foreseeable future. Now that the dust has settled somewhat (hopefully!) with Windows 10, Sonar, and driver issues with various "legacy" equipment, I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on their experience with the Gen 1 Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 running under Windows 10, and if it would be worth it to move up to the Gen 2 Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 (or other similarly-priced USB interface with similar I/O capabilities).
 
Thanks in advance for your feedback! 
 
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    lawajava
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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/10/08 13:05:10 (permalink)
    I had three Gen 1 units. When the Gen 2 versions were released I decided to sell my Gen 1s and then upgrade to the Gen 2 units.

    I was easily able to get to get buyers of my used Gen 1 units, which helped to some degree to offset the new purchase.

    The net effect of that effort is "Wow!, so glad I did that. Huge improvement!"

    So that's one input for you.

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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/10/08 15:45:00 (permalink)
    What Roger said. It's good to unload gear before it becomes outdated which can happen real fast. 
    You put it on E bay or Craigs List and you really don't have to even mention 1st Gen. That's up to the buyer to ask.. most won't know or care about the differance, they are only shopping price, not features. 
     
    The other thing to think about is if you plan on recording larger groups then the extra channels might be worth keeping around..

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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/10/08 20:10:29 (permalink)
    Appreciate your feedback guys!
    Gen 2 is the direction I was already (sort of) leaning towards ~
    after my mixed-success debacle of trying to get some of my legacy Roland gear working under Windows 10, I've been a bit leery of trying to implement any gear that hasn't been updated with current Windows 10 drivers.
    Guess I need to start a conversation with Uncle Sweetwater!
     
    So - 
    Anyone interested in a good price on a NIB 1st Gen Focusrite 18i20?
     
    RR 
     
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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/10/10 18:59:47 (permalink)
    I have that same interface (gen 1) and it works just fine under Win10.

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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/10/10 20:11:28 (permalink)
    Ya, Unlike Roland, Focusrite are one of the good companies and seem to keep their drivers up to date, I have the 6i6 1st gen and it's rock solid. Only thing with the 2nd Gen is they say they get better RTL performance.. It's probaby not enough to make a differance to me because I don't have a situation that requires low RTL like guitar sims. So I'm keeping mine until I make the move to a RME or Motu. 
     
     

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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/10/11 02:00:09 (permalink)
    bdickens
    I have that same interface (gen 1) and it works just fine under Win10.

    Byron, which drivers are you sing with your 18i20?
    Guess it can't hurt to take it for a spin before I commit to an upgrade. 
     
    Thanks!
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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/10/12 21:39:37 (permalink)
    I have both the 1st and 2nd generation of the 18i20 (different computers) and really don't notice a performance difference because I'm not doing live recordings.  The meters are nicer in the 2nd gen and the gain controls seem to have more sensitivity.  The software may be a bit more intimidating in the 2nd gen unit.  Both are stable in Windows 10.
     
     

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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/10/14 01:03:17 (permalink)
    Riojazz - 
    Which Gen 1 drivers did you wind up using for your 18i20 under WIndows 10?
     
    Thanks!
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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/10/14 15:21:10 (permalink)
    Whatever is standard.  I tried their beta drivers and had clicks and pops, so they helped me uninstall everything and reload using the regular driver.  I think it's 1.8?

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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/10/14 21:02:40 (permalink)
    Cool -

    I hope to start installing the hardware upgrades when I get some time back home in a few weeks, and really look forward to getting the 18i20 online. Appreciate all your feedback -

    Thanks!
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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/10/14 21:34:34 (permalink)
    I am speaking from owning Scarlett 18i20 Gen 2 myself. It is very fine interface. Here is some of the actual changes between Gen 1 and Gen 2 from their website.
     
    The second generation Scarlett range is packed full of upgrades. New super-low latency* will bring confidence to your performance, letting you record and monitor with software effects in real time.
     
    New metal volume controls and a sleeker red metal chassis underscore its improved industrial design, built to go anywhere. Scarlett USB audio interfaces also now operate at sample rates all the way up to 192kHz, and the input channels have evolved too.
     
    The latest Scarlett mic preamp features a more even gain structure, so you can accurately set your levels, and the instrument input has also been completely redesigned so it can handle seriously hot pickups for recording electric guitar.
     
    So there you have the essential things from Gen 1 to Gen 2 are:
     
    Latency
    Gain changes and improved instrument input design
    Sample rate up to 192 kHz which is handy
    Improved hardware design
     
    The difference between Gen 1 and Gen 2 would be quite subtle I would imagine.  A bigger difference will be had listening to their thunderbolt line such as Clarett. Here the Mic pres are better and the latency is breathtaking like 2 mS and under when setup correctly on thunderbolt on a Mac system.  Playing virtual instruments with this is amazing.  Focusrite control is also a great program to use.  I am lucky in that I can run Studio One on a Mac as well.  Thunderbolt on Windows can be achieved with care.  Not quite as easy as connecting it to a Mac. 
     
    You can look into other lines such as RME.  All the RME stuff is excellent.  They also achieve excellent latency coupled with a quality sound.  RME TotalMix is also great.
     
    The hottest thing now though is Presonus Quantum.  It has excellent features, sounds excellent and has the lowest latency right now achieved anywhere.  It has deeper level of integration as well with Studio One software. 
     
    The fast response is not only useful playing virtual instruments.  It can monitor things in recording and live use. Buses can be setup for PA and monitor mixes and all used in the recording stages. Complex routing can be achieved. 
     
    I think there are some excellent interfaces that you don't necessarily have to switch to Mac for though.  And stay on Windows.  Interfaces working over the PCI buss is a good place to start.  And USB 3 for that matter.
     
    Getting back to the Scarlett, having said all that I am finding it sounds very nice, has excellent latency anyway for virtual instruments, and for live software monitoring. So you spend nothing and have a fine setup. Or a slight upgrade into Gen 2, a higher upgrade into Clarett or higher end RME products.

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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/10/15 02:39:23 (permalink)
    Appreciate the comparison - thanks!
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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/10/16 21:05:05 (permalink)
    The last few days, I'm getting a bad case of clicks from my 2nd generation 18i20.  So what do I know?
     

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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/10/18 00:32:33 (permalink)
    Not sure what is going on there Matt. It must be at your end though because it is pretty faultless with me here on Studio One on both Mac and Windows.
     
    To the OP check this out. You might find this interesting:
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zhXijvtkNc
     
    Not much around that can come close to this.  Except the computer won't be cheap though. I built one on their website and it came to $7000! I have emailed them and asked them for the specs. But it does show off Quantum in a good light.

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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/10/30 13:49:15 (permalink)
    I had the  first gen 18i8 which worked fine under Windows 10, but when I saw a really good price for the second gen (came with a whole bunch of audio and MIDI cables at a good discount) I decided to take a chance. 
     
    I had read a lot about many problems people were having with the second-gen Scartlett, mainly around the issues of drop outs and pops. but I decided to take a chance anyway. 
     
    I did, and discovered I was having the same problems. Playback of Sonar files would hiccup. ARturia soft keyboards dropped out as well. I tweaked the system mercilessly to turn as many system-hoggin resources as possible, but it wouldn't stop it. 
     
    But since my PC is around 4-5 years old (I COre-7 second gen with 8gig RAM and a single hard disk), I decided to splurge on a new PC--I Core-7 gen 7 with 16gig, a 256SSD and 1 TB hard disk. I've spent the last week or so moving everything over and reinstalling Sonar and various plugs ins.
     
    So far, without doing extensive System tweaking, the second gen Scarlett is now performing flawlessly when I play back older Sonar files, even with audio plugs. Next step is to see how my Arturia keyboards work with it. 
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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/11/03 16:56:13 (permalink)
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    I have that same interface (gen 1) and it works just fine under Win10.

    Byron, which drivers are you sing with your 18i20?
    Guess it can't hurt to take it for a spin before I commit to an upgrade. 
     
    Thanks!


    Whatever the W10 drivers are tbat they had a couple of years ago when I got the thing.

    Byron Dickens
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    Re: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Windows 10 ~ Keep the Gen 1, or move up to Gen 2? 2017/11/04 04:01:25 (permalink)
    Thanks!

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