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2016/09/26 19:19:31 (permalink)

For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas

What is it about the British that make their crime dramas so amazing. It is very hard to define.
 
I don't mean stiff like Midsummer Murders either. I mean the serious stuff. Like 'The Fall', 'The Five' (OMG!!!) and just watched 'London Spy'.  Seriously fantastic.  'Luther' comes to mind as well.  Also 'The Secret'  They are all just so tense.  There is so much tension in the air it is ridiculous.  Even the music scores are amazing and nothing like anything else as well.
 
I know some of you Americans might find this hard to believe.  The US crime stuff is just not doing it for me.  They all are so good looking, superhuman and it is just plain wrong, in my opinion only of course.  I know the Americans can make a decent movie occasionally.  Recently saw 'Captain Fantastic' and just loved it.  But most of the time it is all just about the animators and special effects.
 
I hope some of our British forum users will chime in here.  Interesting is that our Australian crime dramas are getting better all the time and glad to see we are following the British model.
 
I just love England and hope I get to see it before I die.  Mind you I would not mind visiting America either.  For me Nashville holds the most attraction maybe followed by New York.  I have a feeling Nashville might be the centre of the musical universe!  I am also into electronic music in a big way too and I have heard it is all happening in Hamburg.
 
Can any of you Brits recommend any other TV series like the ones mentioned above.  I just cant get enough!!! We have got them all here in Australia.
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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/09/26 20:28:04 (permalink)
My wife would agree, she records them all! On PBS and Netflix :) She's Norwegian so there is some of the Sky TV heritage, I think...

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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/09/26 23:44:52 (permalink)
I still have not decided whether I am watching a biased sample of British fare, i. e. the stuff that PBS buys, or whether it is truly better. I expect it is the latter. U. S. television seems to eschew the concept that acting is to be cultivated in this genre. It also seems to find reasonably coherent writing to be superfluous as well, which may set the acting bar pretty low to begin with. On the other hand crashing expensive looking automobiles at high speeds with lots of pyrotechnics following needlessly extended car chases photographed from helicopters seems to be a strong hand for the U. S. industry. The few reasonably good US crime dramas seem to have come from pay per view channels. And of course staffing entire police forces with drop dead gorgeous spokesmodels of either sex is definitely where the US excels. 
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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/09/27 00:01:21 (permalink)
I wouldn't quote it as "the British model" as such. the nordic countries of late have had a big impact esp. stylised.
even the U.S. HBO stuff has had an impact , people still talk about soprano's.. and more recent things like dexter, breaking bad a lot.
 
there is a cop drama "Line of Duty" that was on for 3 series, that you might like. basically internal affairs and in each series it was "is the main character a dodgy cop or not" scenario.
 
"The night manager" was decent enough also.
 
I liked the UK version of "Life on Mars" (thats old now) maybe due to some of the things featured , as it was based in 1973.. the follow on , ashes to ashes I didn't like too much (woman in that is better in line of duty I thought)
 
there is a UK version of " Wallander" which originally is swedish.
 
Happy Valley was on a while back and another thing "good cop" which I recall.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/genres/drama/crime/all
 
has a list of things and films that well come under "crime" I guess.
 
you might want to look into Dr Martin Fido's stuff.. he used to do radio shows in London about famous, sorry infamous folk.. oddly an ex g/f was living years later, on the same road as one of them.
 
people on the "digital spy" forum are stupidly clued up on this stuff.
 
 
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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/09/27 00:12:45 (permalink)
Thanks Fog for your thoughts and yes I totally agree with the European model being very similar as well.  Love all that stuff too.  Recently watched 'Paris' and just loved it too.  Takes a little while to get going but soon draws you in bigtime.
 
I do like some US cop shows of course.  (NYPD Blue, SVU and even Blue Bloods at times too, much more real for me) I know this is not a cop show but just loved 'Suits' as well.  I cannot believe how good that was.  Somehow they managed to get that same tension into every episode.  It was almost exhausting for me.  But I loved it!
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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/09/27 00:54:17 (permalink)
My dad keeps raving about an Italian TV show that's shown on the BBC called Inspector Montalbano. You might want to give that a watch if you don't mind subtitles. I couldn't find it to watch online but I did find the theme on YouTube and it's a really fantastic piece of music. 
 
Here's a playlist of some of the music. It's really distinctive and evocative. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/w...oRfMwgOXvVRU6PsWfjoeHR
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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/09/27 02:32:11 (permalink)
A vote for Montalbano from me, too.
My explanation of the British quality is the roots. For decades the British series were, and partly still are today,
based on very popular books. That means the characters, plots and sets are carefully built ready for the screenwriters to start adapting. Also, the book being originally created by one person during many years makes the fundamental structures fluent and solid compared to modern TV-writing which usually means a group of writers.
This has created a strong tradition which gives new writers good ground to bounce from.
 
Happy Valley is the one that has impressed me lately.
 
I do like Swedish and Danish stuff as well. The most successful Swedish ones (Wallander, Beck) are also all based
on books that have been very, very popular for decades.

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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/09/27 03:03:57 (permalink)
Love 'The Fall' (series 3 starts on Thursday btw), 'Line Of Duty' was excellent as well. I think the UK crime shows were a bit 'cosy' a few years back, but started to take their lead from Scandinavian shows in terms of mood and tension. 'The Bridge', 'The Killing' (which has been remade in the US), 'Wallander', but also French shows like 'Spiral' and latterly 'Braquo'. I don't mind subtitles at all, so I've found plenty of good stuff, even an Icelandic one called 'Trapped', very good.
 
Have to say though, the first season of 'True Detective' is the best crime series I've seen lately, the performances by Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughty were completely absorbing. Strangely I couldn't get into season 2 at all.

 
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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/09/27 03:04:48 (permalink)
Forgot 'Happy Valley', but I see Kalle mentioned it, brilliant stuff.

 
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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/09/27 05:49:38 (permalink)
I don't watch a lot of television but British and Scandinavian crime dramas are something I do like to watch. Check out Shetland, one of my favourite UK ones.

And if you want an alternate view, try the film Hot Fuzz lampooning several UK and US police shows, Midsommer in particular.

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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/09/27 05:52:39 (permalink)
 
 
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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/09/27 10:14:01 (permalink)
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Also, the book being originally created by one person during many years makes the fundamental structures fluent and solid compared to modern TV-writing which usually means a group of writers.
This has created a strong tradition which gives new writers good ground to bounce from.


This is, in many cases, why British TV is so different from American TV. There are more shows which have a single writer at the helm as opposed to most US shows which have a team of writers churning them out. And that's also why UK seasons are relatively short at between 6 and 12 episodes whereas US seasons often run as high as 24 episodes or more.

It's not necessarily better, just different. I like both styles for different reasons. Take a show like Black Books for instance, or Ricky Gervais' "Extras." Both very quirky, original shows bursting with personality and charm. But you could watch the whole of them in an evening or two since there were only about 12 episodes of each. Contrast that with something like Fraiser with probably more than 250 episodes. And it was consistently funny too, although in a much more generic way. Large team of writers.

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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/09/27 13:01:56 (permalink)
I have found that the BBC programs seem to have more depth and texture. THe characters are not all great looking former models, they're very real people with flaws and depth of character. It's also great to see actors that have been in huge feature films show up in small TV roles. King of the elves shows up in Glasgow to clean out a public housing unit as a janitor. 
 
And don't get me started on the comedy. Since the Goons they've been leading the way.

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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/09/27 15:04:34 (permalink)
Hi,
 
A couple of good ones that were enjoyable ... but since I do not have a TV for the past 10 years, I have not kept up much.
 
"Cracker" was great fun.
 
And watching Helen Mirren in the other one, was damn good. 

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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/09/27 15:58:49 (permalink)
There's always The Professionals. 
 
Which was basically The Dukes Of Hazard without the moonshine or hot pants. 

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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/10/01 22:48:31 (permalink)
One I'd strongly recommend is 'Hinterland' - a crime drama made in Wales. Absolutely excellent and IIRC on its third series. Has it's own style and atmosphere and is very absorbing.
 
I'm fed up with those shows where the 'crim' is always sat in a room with two chairs and a table, the (obvious) hidden mirror/window, a cop with his/her hands on their hips, badge displayed on their belt (subtle - NOT), and speaking in a roughie-toughie voice - and the crim 'coughs' (as in tells all) and/or confesses immediately.

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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/10/03 05:48:00 (permalink)
Just finished watching Bloodline Excellent US drama. Full marks 10/10 Great tension and atmosphere. Loved it. Sort of cop show but very good story.  Our Aussie actor Ben Mendelsohn was excellent.

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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/10/03 13:55:29 (permalink)
It's been cancelled. Too intelligent for the market.

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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/10/04 09:28:33 (permalink)
It's not a crime drama, but Black Mirror is the best television i've seen in years.  Basically a technology-based version of the Twilight Zone.  And British.

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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/10/04 12:09:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Slugbaby 2016/10/04 13:28:56
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It's not a crime drama, but Black Mirror is the best television i've seen in years.  Basically a technology-based version of the Twilight Zone.  And British.




I must watch that, written by Charlie Brooker I think. He also does some great satirical shows 'How TV Ruined Your Life', 'Screenwipe' etc.

 
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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/10/04 12:25:02 (permalink)
Good thread this is......will refer to this whenever the Mrs. & I get a chance to watch TV.....usually, crime dramas. We enjoyed the Sherlock series with Benedict Cumberbatch....very good actor.

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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/10/04 12:27:53 (permalink)
Our family loves Dr. Who and Midsomer Murders, Torchwood, and MR. Been.

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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/10/06 16:24:41 (permalink)
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It's not a crime drama, but Black Mirror is the best television i've seen in years.  Basically a technology-based version of the Twilight Zone.  And British.




Just finished watching the first 2 series. Wow. Brilliantly written stuff, very sharp indeed, and quite disturbing.

 
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Re: For me the British are simply the best at crime dramas 2016/10/06 16:31:53 (permalink)
Broadchurch is probably worth a view in addition to the ones already mentioned
Also, for a slightly surreal Scandi-drama check out Jordskott - i loved it

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