[Found] Where is this gain coming from?

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2017/09/25 19:11:59 (permalink)

[Found] Where is this gain coming from?

I started the new project, have just one track peaking at -7.2  .  It goes straight to master and it peaks at -0.5 .  All the faders are at 0, no effects in a bin,  nor PC modules, nothing. Why is there so much more gain at master?
post edited by Afrodrum - 2017/09/25 23:42:16

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    THambrecht
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    Re: Where is this gain coming from? 2017/09/25 19:29:00 (permalink)
    Is ProChannel enabled or disabled?
    Maybe a compressor or equalizer is on.

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    Re: Where is this gain coming from? 2017/09/25 19:29:40 (permalink)
    Are any plugs' gain control settings adjusted to increase output? I believe that would do it and the increase wouldn't show as being done by any track or bus settings.

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    Re: Where is this gain coming from? 2017/09/25 20:11:29 (permalink)
    It is possible that within the signal path that a -7 becomes a -3 because ??  
    I'm not near my DAW but I'd be curious to run this test.
     
    Ceate a blank project.
    Insert a Master buss 
    Insert an audio track  output to the master and record a test tone @ - 8 db steady. 
    Leave the track fader at unity and observe the Master buss level. 
     

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    Re: Where is this gain coming from? 2017/09/25 20:36:23 (permalink)
    The point is nothing is on. I checked thoroughly. Or maybe something is very very deep ...

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    Re: Where is this gain coming from? 2017/09/25 20:45:05 (permalink)
    Now I'm interested. Granted I was mildly interested before 😉.

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    Re: Where is this gain coming from? 2017/09/25 21:18:16 (permalink)
    Have you checked nothing has gone astray in offset mode?
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    Re: Where is this gain coming from? 2017/09/25 21:47:40 (permalink)
    Jean
    Have you checked nothing has gone astray in offset mode?




    Please explain "astray"

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    Re: Where is this gain coming from? 2017/09/25 22:06:12 (permalink)
    Hi Afrodrum,
    Apologies for not being clearer.
    When there are volume (or pan, or anything) readings giving unexpected results, it’s always worth checking that nothing has been altered in offset mode. I can’t remember what the button looks like and I’m not in Sonar just now, but you can look up ‘offset mode’ in the help section.
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    Re: Where is this gain coming from? 2017/09/25 22:09:29 (permalink)
    I had a similar issue in the past when opening old sessions from a previous version of Sonar into the latest version of Sonar Platinum. Once I turned the tracks gain knobs off of zero and back again, the track volume was back to normal. After re-saving the session, everything stayed properly working.

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    Re: Where is this gain coming from? 2017/09/25 22:13:50 (permalink)
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    Hi Afrodrum,
    Apologies for not being clearer.
    When there are volume (or pan, or anything) readings giving unexpected results, it’s always worth checking that nothing has been altered in offset mode. I can’t remember what the button looks like and I’m not in Sonar just now, but you can look up ‘offset mode’ in the help section.


     Ok, I get it, i toggled between offset mode and all is same.

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    Re: Where is this gain coming from? 2017/09/25 22:15:24 (permalink)
    ryecatchermark
    I had a similar issue in the past when opening old sessions from a previous version of Sonar into the latest version of Sonar Platinum. Once I turned the tracks gain knobs off of zero and back again, the track volume was back to normal. After re-saving the session, everything stayed properly working.



    I got all faders to - infinity and then back to 0 and it is still like it was.

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    Re: Where is this gain coming from? 2017/09/25 22:25:54 (permalink)
    I'm not taking about the volume faders... I had to change the track Gain... one of the places it is located is the track inspector... also try changing the Gain knob back and forth on the Master fader and Busses as well in the mixer window.

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    Re: Where is this gain coming from? 2017/09/25 23:13:59 (permalink)
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    I'm not taking about the volume faders... I had to change the track Gain... one of the places it is located is the track inspector... also try changing the Gain knob back and forth on the Master fader and Busses as well in the mixer window.

     Right I got it. Thanks,  but it was not gain knob.
     
    And finally I found it, jesus, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. It was a metronome that somehow was not audible yet adding to the total gain. I rebooted Windows, restarted Sonar and all of a sudden it was obvious that extra gain is a metronome (in my case its a kick drum). Why it was not audible in a first place is a mystery.

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    Re: Where is this gain coming from? 2017/09/25 23:17:27 (permalink)
    The metronome sound has a bug and the fix is normally you toggle the Effects bins bypass. 

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