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2008/10/09 18:15:49 (permalink)

Found a Hammond Organ in the trash...

Need some help identifying it:



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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/09 18:45:31 (permalink)
    Looks to me like a B3 sans pedals...

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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/09 19:32:08 (permalink)
    I agree, at first glance it does look like a B-3, but something's not quite right for a B. It looks a little lighter-weight, like it's one of the home versions. And it's missing the folding keyboard cover that's on every B I've ever seen.

    I'm going to take a guess and say it's one of the A series. Which still makes it a great find, because I believe the A series has exactly the same tonewheel assembly as the B-3 and C-3.

    There is a wealth of Hammond information and lore here, here and here.

    Look on the back or inside the organ cabinet or under the keyboard. There should be a plate with the serial and model number.

    EDIT:
    Found it! Go to the first link above and scroll down. There's a picture of it with its inventor, Mr. Hammond himself at the keyboard.
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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/09 19:49:03 (permalink)
    Thanks, that helps a bunch. It does look like this orignally had foot pedals, I was thinking B3 also but I'm no expert.

    The identifying plate is not out in the open, I don't know if it even has it. I haven't been able to find pics with this type of base yet, but I'm thinking this might be a early/mid 70's model.



    I have a knack for finding gems in the trash btw...last year I found a Kustom 1-15B...in very good condition. It works perfect.
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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/09 20:57:32 (permalink)
    mystery solved!

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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/09 21:13:18 (permalink)
    gratz on that find! Very cool!

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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/09 21:17:07 (permalink)
    The good news is that it is a Hammond...the bad is that it's all solid state. Not as collectable as the a100 or b-3. I'm thinking it will be sold. I was going to keep it, but if the parts I need to get it up to snuff are very expensive, I may just sell it to an organ dealer. Even if I only get $500ish for it, well...I literally found it in the trash; not too shabby.

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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/10 08:25:40 (permalink)
    The good news is -- if you want to keep it and it needs fixing its probably easier to fix one of the transister models than a tonewheel organ. Plus if it was a tonewheel you would have herniated yourself dragging it from the curb.

    I have to say that I prefer some of the later transister models to the B3 (in sound -- the build quality is another thing altogether) so it may be a great musical find if not a great financial one. I think there is an emotional attatchment to tonewheels that wouldn't stand up to any real A/B testing. I don't know anything about this model though.

    If you want a good read (including a very good list of all of the things that can go wrong with hammond) check out "Beauty and the B." While its focus is obviously on the B3 it has a very nice summary of all of the organs made by hammond. I will take a look tonight and see what it says about this model.
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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/10 09:45:46 (permalink)
    It's an amazing find....

    My father in law was a certified trash pile rummager... and in his ramblings, he found some pretty amazing and valuable things as well...

    Nice amp too.

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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/10 13:53:51 (permalink)
    All I ever throw away is burned up PSU's, hot dog wrappers and empty water bottles.

    But I've learned that if I ever have a non-working Hammond B-3000, I'll sell it. A few hundred bones is a few hundred bones.
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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/10 14:57:16 (permalink)
    in the trash...

    Hello,

    There's a reason it was in the trash. Because it is trash. You won't get $500 for it and you'll have to transport it. Return it to where you found it (if possible) and get your self a copy of NI B4. LOL.

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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/10 16:27:34 (permalink)
    I gotta start hanging round the same trash cans you do

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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/10 21:12:43 (permalink)

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    I gotta start hanging round the same trash cans you do

    A couple of local towns have "amnesty days" where you can put stuff out at the curb all week...and anything goes. We get out in the van when these are happening and actively look for stuff.

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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/11 05:21:47 (permalink)
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    I gotta start hanging round the same trash cans you do

    A couple of local towns have "amnesty days" where you can put stuff out at the curb all week...and anything goes. We get out in the van when these are happening and actively look for stuff.


    Yeah they do that here in Elgin, IL all the time too. It's fun to drive around and look at all the junk people put out on their curbs (I'm easily entertained). We have a large Hispanic population here in Elgin and they tend to be the first ones on the scene with their pickmeup trucks. If it's something with any sort of inate value, it's usually gone within minutes of putting it out on the curb. I'm pretty sure if I put a guitar or keyboard out on the curb I'd probably start a gang war

    btw - Gibson has a factory here in Elgin where they make pickups (and various other misc products like tshirts). For years I'd hear stories of guys going dumpster diving over there and finding pickups and stuff in the dumpster out back.
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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/11 07:38:15 (permalink)
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    I gotta start hanging round the same trash cans you do

    A couple of local towns have "amnesty days" where you can put stuff out at the curb all week...and anything goes. We get out in the van when these are happening and actively look for stuff.


    Yeah they do that here in Elgin, IL all the time too. It's fun to drive around and look at all the junk people put out on their curbs (I'm easily entertained). We have a large Hispanic population here in Elgin and they tend to be the first ones on the scene with their pickmeup trucks. If it's something with any sort of inate value, it's usually gone within minutes of putting it out on the curb. I'm pretty sure if I put a guitar or keyboard out on the curb I'd probably start a gang war

    btw - Gibson has a factory here in Elgin where they make pickups (and various other misc products like tshirts). For years I'd hear stories of guys going dumpster diving over there and finding pickups and stuff in the dumpster out back.




    umm dude those were very prejudice remarks. wtf? If you said that in front of me, there might be a little gang war right there

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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/11 07:40:16 (permalink)
    In all seriousness, throwing a musical instrument in the trash to me is pretty disappointing, Can't someone take a few seconds and post a free ad on a site like craigslist with a title like "(insert instrument) free to good home"???

    Even if it would cost more to repair, perhaps someone could use that organ for parts? Maybe, just maybe someone would want to fix it? Maybe sometime in the future a (working) organ like that might be worth a little something because everyone who had a problem with one put it out on the curb?...or how about this, wouldn't it be neat to gut the organ and modify it into a DAW desk? The wood alone has to be at least worth something no?

    At any rate, I guess I could understand the organ's potential for being discarded, but a WORKING guitar amplifier??? This really has me shaking my head in disbelief. Nice find there Ron Vogel!!!

    Gee, I could stand out on the curb all day and all night, and doubt anyone would want to "pick me up"...except for the police!
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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/11 08:07:14 (permalink)
    If it's repairable, you have an excellent find there. I bought a whole bunch of keyboards from a local lady at a garage sale about 10 years ago which included - A rhodes - a Hammond x-5 with a leslie 760- an Oberheim 2 voice - a roland tape echo - and Moog taurus 1 pedals , all for 800 bucks. The Hammond had been sitting nicely in it's case for about 10 years in her basement. When I powered it up and played the keys...nothing ! . But I soon realized that it was simply oxidation on the key contacts. Just plunking on it and a general wiggling of contacts in it brought it fully to life. The early electronic organs from Hammond sound excellent ! The difference between a real Hammond and Leslie and a Plug-in is like the difference between a real Piano and a Plug-in. No real comparison when it comes to the subtle details. Hope you can get it working.

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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/11 08:59:29 (permalink)

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    umm dude those were very prejudice remarks. wtf? If you said that in front of me, there might be a little gang war right there



    Not sure I catch your meaning but if I said something that offended you I apologize.

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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/11 12:30:51 (permalink)
    It was late. I was up all night after a gig hanging out with a friend and got home and read your comment about the heavy latin population and how it might cause a gang war if you left a keyboard or something out, and it hit as an extremely prejudice thing to say. It still does. Im actually totally a whiteboy myself, but I live in L.A. and we have probably a heavier latin community. It came across that you were implying that all of the latin people that go and find the jewels on the curb are potential gangsters. It didnt sound good to me. It still doesnt. Hopefully you understand what Im saying, but if not, well at least I tried. Thats all I have to say really.

    I know you meant the whole thing as a joke... but yeah... as I said

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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/11 13:43:58 (permalink)
    Oh now I understand. You're right. I wasn't thinking. When I said gang war I meant gang of garbage scavengers - not like ghetto gangs or anything like that. Oh boy. Now I have some 'splaining to do. Just in case there's any question about it I'm a gringo too but I'm married to a Mexican woman (straight from Chihuahua, Mexico) and most of my neighbors and close friends happen to be Hispanic. Elgin is home to a very large Hispanic community (for some odd reason we have close ties to a specific town in Puerto Rico but I couldn't explain the reason behind that at the moment). I'll bet this town is pretty evenly divided between whites and Hispanics. My daughter's grade school is pretty much 50-50 in terms of english speaking and non-english speaking children (again, most are Hispanic but who's counting).

    The guys that come around and retreive the valuables we set out on the curb are predominantly Hispanics (I can tell from the words printed on the sides of the trucks and the fact that they all speak Spanish which is a dead giveaway). The dumpster-diving white rednecks are the minority here but there are plenty of them too. They cruise around here almost daily looking for scavenger items to recycle or sell to local recycling plants. It wasn't disrespect at all but I can see now how it might be considered disrespectful. I meant it as a joke - these guys cruise around all day trying to get the good stuff before anyone else.

    I mentioned this to my wife and she laughed out loud. We tend to joke with each other about our race. I'm related to half of Northern Mexico through marriage. My wife comes froma big family down there. I think that entitles me to make fun of them but always in a respectful and loving way. I can see how someone who didn't know me might take it personally and get angry. I migth remove the original post but if I do that then all this won't make sense Just call me a dumb gringo and we'll be even!

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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/11 13:54:31 (permalink)
    Hey I didnt mean to come at you so harsh, but yeah, it sounded crazy man. My best friend is Mexican, and his little sister is my God Daughter(Im not Catholic, but they wanted me to be the God Papa lol)... From 4 years of spanish in school, I actually speak more spanish then him though, ha. Anyway, I was tired, which doesnt go well with me, so I was definitely agressive, but yeah, the words hit me really badly, and I really dont like prejudice, as it seems you dont either.

    Thanx for breaking it down man, I really appreciate it. Makes me feel a lot better, and so that you know, among my friends, my african american roommate and mexican best friend roommate, we joke about our races all the time. Just the way it looked on that post really hit me wrong.

    Larry, Im glad you explained it man, because I really have always enjoyed you on the forum and I was actually saddened when I saw the post. Sorry I came at you so harsh. If I was over there where you are, Id buy us a round of Dos Equis!

    Ok, back to music talk! lol

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    P.S. - to the OP, sorry this was in your thread. I couldnt let my thoughts pass...
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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/11 14:02:36 (permalink)
    I love Dos XX and also Bohemia. And personally I don't see anything wrong with hijacking a thread about finding an organ in the garbage. I mean how much worse can it get? There's lots of directions we could take this one

    Salut!

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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/11 14:03:52 (permalink)
    ha! I literally just laughed out loud!


    Oh and yeah that Bohemia is good stuff for sure!

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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/12 16:47:59 (permalink)

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    I gotta start hanging round the same trash cans you do

    A couple of local towns have "amnesty days" where you can put stuff out at the curb all week...and anything goes. We get out in the van when these are happening and actively look for stuff.


    Yeah they do that here in Elgin, IL all the time too

    btw - Gibson has a factory here in Elgin where they make pickups (and various other misc products like tshirts). For years I'd hear stories of guys going dumpster diving over there and finding pickups and stuff in the dumpster out back.



    I'm in Bolingbrook...they just did one in Woodridge and Downers grove.

    I'll have to check out that Gibson factory. There used to be a music shop in Westmont that sold Gibson factory rejects...I got a Les Paul back in the late 80's for $60 unfinished...it's a great kick around guitar for me and has seen plenty of stage use:

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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/13 00:46:53 (permalink)
    Ron,

    Do you have any thoughts as to why it didn't pass quality control? How does it play compared one that's a...ya know...inspector 13 passed?

    I'm guessing you had to add all the hardware, was it already fretted and have a nut?

    At any rate, I think that's another awesome score!

    And to think, that nearly axe made it to being someones $3k LP custom or whatnot!
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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/13 19:38:16 (permalink)
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    Ron,

    Do you have any thoughts as to why it didn't pass quality control? How does it play compared one that's a...ya know...inspector 13 passed?

    I'm guessing you had to add all the hardware, was it already fretted and have a nut?

    At any rate, I think that's another awesome score!

    And to think, that nearly axe made it to being someones $3k LP custom or whatnot!

    The edge banding was coming off or uneven, that's about it. I fixed all of that, sealed it, then did a watercolor painting on it...and sprayed on many coats of clear laquer. I may refinish it again since I can do better work now, but it still looks pretty nice. I did have to add all my own hardware and such, so I did a special bridge that I used on some other guitars I've built. Sounds phenominal, I use it mainly for slide and certain lead parts. It has some intonation issues that a decent shop could probably fix, but not too bad. It was fretted, I don't remember if it had a nut on it, but I think so.

    It wasn't really a find, that shop sold factory rejects for many years. I think they went under about 10 years ago (ProAM music).
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    RE: Found a Hammond Organ in the trash... 2008/10/14 02:13:49 (permalink)
    Well for a kick around and stage use guitar I think that's pretty sweet! Not to mention one doesn't have to worry too excessively if you happen to turn your back on it and the possible potential for it sprouting legs and disappearing into thin air at a bar gig.

    I dig the paint job too, highly identifiable and very unique. Nice job making something that is truly your own.
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