mtgonzalez
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Foxy Lady mix
I was listing to Jimi Hendrix Foxy Lady on Spotify with headphones on and noticed that right before he sings the pre-chorus you can hear him clearing his throat. There is no one way now a days that would slide, guess back then it wasn't a big deal. And to be honest I wouldn't have notice if I wasn't listing to it with headphones on. Also I think I've heard that song a million times and never noticed it.
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/09 12:33:39
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I have to check that out. Hendrix is my Guitar GOD!
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/09 13:35:02
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yeah, hendrix smendrix! you're right there are a lot of things that slipped through on recordings back in the 60's, 70's and even 80's that would never make it through today. I can't think of any others off the top of my head, but I know there are a lot of other things like that in older recordings. I remember reading about some train noises, traffic noises, A/C coming on/off...lots of stuff.
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/09 13:57:30
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The fact that everybody in the room was stoned, including the engineer, might have had something to do with it. I prefer to think that it's because they placed a higher value on spontaneity and capturing the moment in those days, rather than the obsessive emphasis on perfection that is the norm today. Of course those little imperfections still sneak by us nowadays, they're just easier to fix in the mix.
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/09 16:15:55
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It must be the spontaneity. Listen to "Slow Down" by the Beatles. John Lennon obviously doubled the lead vocal, because you can hear differences in the notes and the words. Or at the end of the solo in "Louie Louie" by the Kingsmen. The singer comes in two bars early, realizes it, stops, then comes in again and keeps going.
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/09 16:34:09
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mt: I've noticed this as well on quite a few recordings. I didn't start to notice these little things until CD's came out though. All my vinyl albums never seemed to let these things through...and let me tell you, I'm crazy anal about how well kept my albums are. But I first heard these little things when I bought the entire Beatles collection on CD. Such incredible little things I had never heard before. Next I bought Van Halen's entire catalog and REALLY heard things I had never heard before. Eddie screwing up in Feel Your Love Tonight, hand claps in places I never heard them before, snare drum rattles that told you they recorded the guitar in the same room...the list goes on an on. I'm willing to bet some of this comes from digital re-mastering or when they have literally re-mixed something to digital and mastered it that way as well. It's a mazing how much more you hear when everything goes digital. Sometimes I hate it due to how analog is just perfect for some things...other times I love it because it really does bring some of these things to life for me. :) -Danny
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mtgonzalez
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/09 18:46:12
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Just for reference sake first clearing of the throat is at 1:07 then you you hear a sniff (he's got a cold or just did a line of go go juice) at 2:01 then another clearing of the throat at 2:05. So I get the fact that when it was recorded on to tape the tape tech guy was lazy and left it in there but when it got re-mastered to digital why didn't they take it out? It wouldn't be hard to do and the extra audio doesn't add to the song.
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/09 18:56:23
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What is also interesting is the vocal on one side yet they had a second vocal come in at times on the other side.
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/12 09:51:25
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On The Ocean by led zep, you can hear a phone ringing, which suggests they actually had a phone in the live room, which cracks me up. You know, in case the dealer was calling or something.
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/12 10:13:01
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I think stuff that sneaks by like that, that doesn't interfere with the music, actually adds character to the track and that a lot of fans of the artist can dig the authenticity of it. I forget which song you can hear a little squeaking from Bonham's kick pedal. I suppose it wouldn't be that cool on every track, but every now and then, it reminds you that they were all just people too. Sometimes the obsessive pursuit of perfection can lead to a sterile track.
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/12 11:52:36
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Just remember that the "mix" in those days was as much a "performance" as laying down the tracks. Even in the little 8 track recordings I did in the early 70's, it was all hands on deck come mix time. There was always something somewhere that required a quick pull down on the fader. Foxy Lady was probably a 4 track master and bounced a couple of times. On the mains in the CR they probably never noticed it...
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/12 18:46:10
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mtgonzalez Just for reference sake first clearing of the throat is at 1:07 then you you hear a sniff (he's got a cold or just did a line of go go juice) at 2:01 then another clearing of the throat at 2:05. So I get the fact that when it was recorded on to tape the tape tech guy was lazy and left it in there but when it got re-mastered to digital why didn't they take it out? It wouldn't be hard to do and the extra audio doesn't add to the song. You may be listening to something that was mastered for CD from the old original prints. The Hendrix catalog was remixed a few years ago by E.K. and it was the first time anyone had seen the multi tracks since back when the first set of prints were made. For years the CDs were released after having been made from tapes in poor condition... some, if I recall correctly, already had the RIAA curve applied and the sound had to be rescued for CD distribution. The latest remixes are astonishing. Of course Still Raining Sill Dreaming wouldn't be the same without the breathing and the coughs... :-) best regards, mike
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/12 19:58:04
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As I have grown older, I have found myself appreciating these older recordings more and more........... complete with small minor random glitches instead of the surgically assembled music with micro-millisecond-microscopic editing of today ---------------- I went thru a phase for example where I would do 6-7 takes of a guitar solo, then comp them to create the "perfect" solo ----------- No More. ------- I think too much of this can sometimes suck the life out of music and turn it into something that sounds like it was put together piece by piece instead of capturing a dynamic live performance ---------------- Example .... I just finished recording a Hendrix style song. -- I improvised the solo three times and kept the full version of one of them, no comping or combining tracks. --- Even though I was off diatonic pitch on a bend here or there (like Hendrix often was) ------ and there are even 1-2 places where you can hear the strings on the bass "ping" against the fretboard. -------- Kept it .............. Not saying it was the right thing to do, but I am liking that "LIVE" sound better these days than the surgically edited versions ......... (example - this is the rough mix -- no final EQ treatments yet) www.rawsoundrecords.com/LOVE_CLOUD_NINE_Advance_Release_Promo_Version.mp3
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/13 15:05:58
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RabbitSeason Or at the end of the solo in "Louie Louie" by the Kingsmen. The singer comes in two bars early, realizes it, stops, then comes in again and keeps going. IIRC the drummer also drops a stick but "kinda" keeps going (presumably until he picked it back up again).
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/13 15:10:42
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/13 16:05:27
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bapu -- Thanks. For the final mix, we will need to add some gate reverb to the snare. Pull some "box" frequencies out of the drum sub Probably lower the snare volume a bit Also lower the vocals a tad and add some EMT-140 Plate reverb But this rough mix was meant to serve as an example of the discussion above regarding "getting obsessed with surgically fixing minor music mistakes" -vs- "more old school - capture the live performance vibe"
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/14 08:22:59
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Mike that was an awesome track. Love that wah wah effect
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/14 08:37:43
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I just listened too. The whole thing is overall excellent. I really, really like the *un-screwed-with* drum tones. The bass sounds just right. The support makes enjoying the excellent guitar playing and top notch singing seem so easy. best regards, mike
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/14 09:53:39
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MikeSpitzer, I would be careful to not over produce that track. Just sayin'
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/14 13:21:21
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What a great production, Mike! I agree with bapu: be careful not to polish this one too highly.
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/16 09:51:12
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Thanks for the comments guys ---- But for the original poster, I hope that demonstrated what I was referring to as that kind of captured LIVE feel --vs-- the super processed modern trend. -------- if curious, here are some YouTube videos of other songs for mu upcoming CD actually being manufactured at Disckmakers in a few weeks -- Thanks --- http://www.youtube.com/us...pitzer007?feature=mhee
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/16 10:08:48
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once upon a time, "Rock and Roll" was as much about capturing an 'attitude' as it was capturing a performance. and part of the attitude, was 'let the tape roll' and catch as catch can. the whole crew was probably tripping, or smoking, or at least had the slightest buzz on.. and it was about the artistic statement, not making a steely dan album. --where, the 'art' is the recording, as well as the performance. working with tape, wasn't like a snip snip in pro tools or sonar...
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/16 23:11:19
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For coming in early there's the mommas and papas "I saw here dreaming" where the lead vox comes in early - and they left it. Original stutter effect. George Harrison (or maybe it was Paul) called it genius. @
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/17 06:45:37
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AT For coming in early there's the mommas and papas "I saw here dreaming" where the lead vox comes in early - and they left it. Correct title: "I Saw Her Again"
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/17 06:51:07
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Danny Danzi It's a mazing how much more you hear when everything goes digital. Sometimes I hate it due to how analog is just perfect for some things...other times I love it because it really does bring some of these things to life for me. One thing I noticed when I first heard the CD version of Electric Ladyland was the amount of audible tape hiss coming through, and not just in the quieter passages. I wouldn't have wanted it to have been removed though. It sort of sounded like it was supposed to be there.
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Re:Foxy Lady mix
2011/11/17 16:25:16
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and let's not forget the classic example of keeping a recording session even if it was not "perfect" .......... Iron Butterfly ..... "In the Garden of Eden" ........... not a single word is clearly annunciated.
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