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2014/01/15 12:15:54 (permalink)

Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production

I've found a free online course you might be interested in called Critical Listening for Studio Production.  It's by the University of Belfast and started a couple of days ago but that's nothing.  It seems really relevant to what we do.
 
https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/critical-listening-for-studio-production
 
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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/15 13:05:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2014/02/22 09:15:11
Thanks for the link.  Last year I attended to 4 musical related courses at Coursera.org for free.  In february, I'm enrolled in "Fundamentals of Audio and Music Engineering: Part 1 Musical Sound & Electronic": https://www.coursera.org/course/audiomusicengpart1 
 

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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/15 13:23:44 (permalink)
awesome - thanks!

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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/15 16:21:49 (permalink)
Thanks!
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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/15 16:38:52 (permalink)
I took the electronic music production course through Coursera last year and enjoyed it a lot. Learned a lot too. Its professor was from the Berklee College of Music. It may have been free but it was more in-depth than I thought it would ever have been.
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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/15 18:23:17 (permalink)
MIT has a large catalogue of courses available for free, but no college credit is earned, and you have to buy your own texts.
 http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/music-and-theater-arts/21m-380-music-and-technology-recording-techniques-and-audio-production-spring-2012/
 
 
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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/15 19:17:40 (permalink)
It's weird that i do fine on the quizes...except for the ones that use marimba
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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/16 02:51:17 (permalink)
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It's weird that i do fine on the quizes...except for the ones that use marimba




Wow, I'm so glad you said that - me too!
 
But I've also run into lots of trouble on the very last quizes where you have to identify a narrow band of frequencies removed from a sample.  Just shows how much training my ears need I guess.  Did you get all the way to the end?

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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/16 09:13:57 (permalink)
Thanks for pointing this out!

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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/16 14:55:13 (permalink)
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It's weird that i do fine on the quizes...except for the ones that use marimba




Wow, I'm so glad you said that - me too!
 
But I've also run into lots of trouble on the very last quizes where you have to identify a narrow band of frequencies removed from a sample.  Just shows how much training my ears need I guess.  Did you get all the way to the end?


I stopped halfway through the quizzes, but will resume today.  It was a humbling experience.  I know I don't have perfect pitch recognition, but I am usually good at relative pitch.  Great example of how timbre can affect pitch perception.
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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/16 16:07:23 (permalink)
Thanks much. I'm signed up. This is my first time taking an online course.

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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/16 17:26:24 (permalink)
I think perfect pitch recognition is pretty rare isn't it?  With a lot of the later quizzes, the only way I could work out the answer was to cross-compare with the other questions on the same sample.
 
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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/17 08:25:18 (permalink)
SGodfreyI think perfect pitch recognition is pretty rare isn't it?  With a lot of the later quizzes, the only way I could work out the answer was to cross-compare with the other questions on the same sample.

I was doing the same thing for a lot of them. Picking a pitch out of a hat is tough for most people, I think. It got me thinking: while trying to sort out the frequency of a pesky noise, it would be good to have some known reference frequencies handy for quick comparison. Or even just have a keyboard handy (MIDI or whatever) to play comparison notes. It would certainly help me find the range of a noise or some other pesky critter what needs huntin' down and killin'.
I guess for anything above 3k or so, the keyboard isn't going to do it, though.
 
Another thing I found is that whenever they played a 16k tone, I totally couldn't hear it. I read somewhere that George Martin couldn't hear anything above 12.5k and that made me feel a lot better about my hearing range.

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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/17 08:28:00 (permalink)
dubdiscipleGreat example of how timbre can affect pitch perception.

Yup, I agree whole-heartedly. And, yes, it's a humbling experience. Methinks this is where we separate the musicians from the engineers.

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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/18 15:55:37 (permalink)
About two-thirds of the way through the practice exercises, I started to get them right more often, sometimes even on the first try.
 
And I found this interesting plugin for extra ear training; it can use any tracks you want which opens things right up: earPlugins Tune.
Keep in mind, however, that it does NOT work in X3. It does work in X1 and probably in other versions.

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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/18 19:20:22 (permalink)
Thanks so much for posting this.  I have been getting people at the studio to check it out and they are amazed at how trained or untrained their ears are,.
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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/19 14:15:21 (permalink)
This is a pretty cool course. The tonal "pick which frequency this sine wave is" questions became easier when I realised they were just using one, three and five in Amin (IIRC). Once you get where your "tonic" is it becomes a different exercise. Pulling a band out of pink noise it tough, but I got better with practice (imagine that).
 
One weird thing, on the actual test my question 10 was a "tell which frequency we pulled out of this pink noise" question and after several A/B passes at the original I swore they were the same so I opened up a frequency analyzer and looked and sure enough, the before and after both were the same sample with a specific band removed. Oops...but hey, at least I spotted it :)
 
Thanks to the OP for the heads up about this. It's pretty cool...

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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/21 08:59:57 (permalink)
Razorwit,
I had the same feeling of you for the question 10...

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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/21 09:27:02 (permalink)
Week 2 made me realize my monitoring setup needs some serious re-thinking... I rarely have used headphones and found them more useful but still not "great"  Picking out track changes of only a few dB is nutty!!

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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/21 09:48:48 (permalink)
Hi Mattelus,
Yeah, trying to differentiate between +6 and +9, particularly on a 1k sine wave, was tough sometimes, and I'm in a treated room listening to very nice monitors. I found myself doing a lot of "OK, I know that +12 sounds like someone is shoving a spike in my ears, and +3 sounds like someone poking at it with a q-tip, so is this closer to spike or q-tip?". The other frequencies weren't as bad, but for me at 1k it's all kinda ranking levels of uncomfortable. I actually found myself measuring my flinch response a couple of times :)
 
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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/01/25 10:01:05 (permalink)
Thanks to the OP for the information. First time I've tried an online course as well. Playing catch up for now but it's clear I am not an audio engineer. I am having fun identifying the boosts or cuts of a single instrument out of am ix. I feel like I'm back in high school, just as nervous to take a quiz.

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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/02/20 18:14:14 (permalink)
Are you guys still hanging in there?  Must admit I've fallen behind but catching up this week - right now I'm only a week behind.  Anyone else finding that this material is seriously challenging?  The week training on compression and gating was gold dust for me!  Actually getting back-to-back listening examples and tests for thresholds, ratios, attack and release was brilliant, I may actually be able to step away from the presets when I venture back into Sonar.  
 
The week spent on changes within a narrow frequency band and eq I found extremely difficult at times, but there's no doubt my ears are improving.
 
I keep finding that every time I look ahead at what's coming up I think "I'll never be able to do that" and I won't be able to hear any differences at all, but the practice is working; the way the exercises gradually increase the difficulty is excellent.  I'm also swinging between elation and despair.  Right now I'm doing well, hence a good time to post.

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Re: Free Course - Critical Listening for Studio Production 2014/02/22 18:42:38 (permalink)
im behind too. kind of overextended myself. hope to catch up soon
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