Free hass Delay question for vocals

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2009/12/11 02:27:54 (permalink)

Free hass Delay question for vocals

I used this http://www.vescofx.com/vfxFreeHaas on my last tune for my vocals and I liked how it sounded.  However, it sends the vocals about 75% to one side.  It can be adjusted with a pan, but they still sound wide.  Wondering if anyone has ever tried this vst with what results- basically I'd like the vocal to be more centered.
 
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    Re:Free hass Delay question for vocals 2009/12/11 03:12:56 (permalink)
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    I used this http://www.vescofx.com/vfxFreeHaas on my last tune for my vocals and I liked how it sounded.  However, it sends the vocals about 75% to one side.  It can be adjusted with a pan, but they still sound wide.  Wondering if anyone has ever tried this vst with what results- basically I'd like the vocal to be more centered.
     
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    The 'Haas effect' is already often used in audio applications PA systems and Dolby to name but 2, the effect that you are hearing from this unit is an inherent part of the effect, you could re-center to some degree using Sonar's Channel Tools (which btw itself is capable of producing the Haas effect).

    Here's an experiment with that particular vst you could try route the mic into 2 buses (using sends) each having the plugin but using the opposite 'image' side checked on each and flip the phase of one of the buses to sort of fake mid side encoding and some time delayed artificial ambience.

    See if that gives nearer the result you are after, meanwhile thanks for the heads up I may end up playing with that plug myself.

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    Re:Free hass Delay question for vocals 2009/12/11 03:32:16 (permalink)
    Thanks Jonboy.  I centered it - I had the mix panned to the left a bit, but it still is pretty wide.  I'm trying the sends as I type this- it sounds alright but I need to tweak it.  It sounds best to me straight in the vocal fx bin, but wide. 
     
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    Re:Free hass Delay question for vocals 2009/12/11 04:01:23 (permalink)
    Yes this is really interesting.

    I've just tried it using my own method with that plug which I described but I was thinking of using my E-Mu's patch mix for the routings which you may not have.

    But I tried the same thing using solely Sonar's Channel Tools in the box with no extra plug required.

    Here's the recipe, either setup two tracks using the same audio input or clone an existing audio/vocal track send one track to a bus and fully pan to the left send the cloned track to the same bus except fully panned right.

    Set the sends pre-fader (i.e turn the blue light off) and pull the main sliders all the way back to nothing.

    Put channel tools on the bus to set the 'Haas delay' between 18 and 35 ms IIRC is the range for the Haas effect so set the delay on channel tools on whatever side you want to effect to something in that order or adjust to taste.

    Now you have complete control with Channel Tools other options to get the finished image where you want it you can also try inverting the phase on one of the tracks (which is the sole reason to use a cloned track) to get the depth of effect you want.

    Hey this is cool some depth and width on mono or stereo tracks without using 'verb or any other processing.


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    Re:Free hass Delay question for vocals 2009/12/11 12:24:24 (permalink)
    Thanks Jonboy.  I have Producer 7 so I don't have channel tools, but I found an article at Sound on Sound that desribes a work around http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul09/articles/sonarworkshop_0709.htm

    but I'm not sure if I fully understand it. 
     
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