Chadtindale
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Freeze Synth Troubles... Please Help.
I'm working with MC6, and loving the Cakewalk Sound Center. I'm looking to buy all 10 expansions in the near future, if you've never played with it, you're simply limiting your own capabilities. But I use it as a synth, along with the SI-drums, to give myself some nice back up to recording guitar... ...However, if the rhythms get complicated, the synth wont freeze correctly. I'll play straight eights slightly off, sometimes too quick, others too slow. And it's killing me. It's all fairly slight, but it's enough to drive me bonkers. It sounds like someone is sight reading the music and doing it poorly. My CPU never peaks above 77% and my Memory stays at about 55%. So... anyone have any ideas on how I can fix this. Bit Depth has no effect when I adjust it. Any help would be supremely appreciated.
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Guitarhacker
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Re:Freeze Synth Troubles... Please Help.
2012/10/29 15:20:21
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Chad..... welcome... glad you're likeing MC6 and CSC. Cool stuff for sure. First... you did not mention what soundcard you are using and what driver mode is running it. I'm guessing it's a factory card and MME.... which would explain the high CPU & memory numbers as well as the out of sync notes. Factory cards generally have high latency and the CPU and memory numbers will suffer. You might wish to try getting a free copy of ASIO4ALL and load it up and see if that makes any difference. Some tell me it does make a big difference. Ultimately, a better USB external music interface running real ASIO drivers is the best option. for now...try A4A and see if it works for you.
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:Freeze Synth Troubles... Please Help.
2012/10/29 15:33:25
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Agree to that above. And MIDI doesn't know if the rhytm is complicated or not :o) As a non-native english speaker this one confused me a little: " I'll play straight eights slightly off, sometimes too quick, others too slow. And it's killing me." But now, writing this, I came to think you probably meant "It'll play..."? Secondly, if you'r CPU hits 77%, you are already on the red zone. Many systems start severe crackling and dropouts in that kind of readings. Then again, I'm a little puzzled by the fact the synth gets frozen off time. It doesn fit in picture IMO. The way I've understood it, Freezing (and bouncing) is a CPU-only-action in which soundcard plays no role.
post edited by Kalle Rantaaho - 2012/10/29 15:38:50
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Chadtindale
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Re:Freeze Synth Troubles... Please Help.
2012/10/29 15:41:20
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Did that, the ASIO4ALL works very well. Though I had to increase the latency to about 120 just to get it to stop crackling. But yeah, that solves my issues, now to go rerender every project I've done in the last year.
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Guitarhacker
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Re:Freeze Synth Troubles... Please Help.
2012/10/29 15:54:43
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you've had this a year and you're just now coming here to ask questions? shoulda come here sooner.... but you bees here now.... it's all good.
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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Chadtindale
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Re:Freeze Synth Troubles... Please Help.
2012/10/29 16:10:02
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It's never been a serious issue, just one that's slightly irritated me, despite my other musician friends saying that they can't notice. Today I worked on something that I really couldn't take it anymore. It was slow piano eighths and it was really obvious. I used to be able to work around it, or record live instruments to cover. But this fixes it. So hurray. I don't need a new external interface. (Ok, I really do) but I don't need one today. And that's a lot to me. Thank you for your help.
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Guitarhacker
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Re:Freeze Synth Troubles... Please Help.
2012/10/29 16:36:50
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At some point, you might still need that interface, but A4A buys you a little time. On a bigger project with lots of plugs, synths and tracks you will appreciate the interface. But for now... use A4A and post the songs you are doing over in the songs forum when you finish them so we can hear what you do.
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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Chadtindale
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Re:Freeze Synth Troubles... Please Help.
2012/10/29 16:46:54
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Kalle makes an interesting point though, if I'm freezing the synth, that wouldn't run to an external interface at all, right? So my problem would persist even with one, right? Or am I way off? Could cakewalk use it to record the synths from Sound Center?
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Guitarhacker
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Re:Freeze Synth Troubles... Please Help.
2012/10/29 17:12:47
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The external becomes the sound card. On my lappy for example.... I have never been able to get the internal sound card to work with MC even with A4A. And when I have MC open and tracks selected for an export.... and do the export.... nothing gets exported. The file is created but it's empty. So I do believe the sound card has to play some sort of role in the export and bouncing of files. I can do the same exact sequence with my external sound card connected and everything works exactly like it's supposed to do. I have never been able to get that laptop to use it's internal sound card no matter what driver or wrapper I use. Not with MC.... I can get it to work fine with everything else though. Perhaps it's time to set down and try again.... one never knows.
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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57Gregy
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Re:Freeze Synth Troubles... Please Help.
2012/10/30 23:35:07
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My CPU never peaks above 77% and my Memory stays at about 55%. Those are extremely high numbers. I don't recall ever going above ~ 46% CPU, and memory usage is negligible on my modest computer (2.8 processor and 2 GB RAM). So I tried to stress it today. I had my keyboard playing through 6 soft synths simultaneously (Triangle II, Square 1, DreamStation DXi, Roland Groove Synth, TTS-1, Proteus VX) while another MIDI track was playing through a 7th (Session Drummer 2). Never went above 17% and the memory peaked about 2. Adding Ozone pushed it above 25%. Could be the sound card.
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Chadtindale
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Re:Freeze Synth Troubles... Please Help.
2012/10/31 03:05:00
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That's not just Cakewalk pushing my CPU to 77%. It's also the other programs I typically run at the same time. I usually split my brain between two things at once on my two monitors. Watching a movie and playing a game. Working on music while catching up on cat videos. I really wish I could have two mouses that worked in two different programs without using two different computers. But Cakewalk itself rarely pulls more than 45% of the total CPU and that's when it's processing a pretty complex synth track, or several as I'm also known to do.
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Guitarhacker
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Re:Freeze Synth Troubles... Please Help.
2012/10/31 08:48:12
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If you are running on a factory (on the MOBO and some of the aftermarket cards as well ie: Sound Blaster & gaming cards) soundcard, the numbers for the CPU will be much much higher than if you are using a dedicated external interface. The internal interface is a bottle neck and it doesn't handle the data MC wants to push through it. For that reason, it will overtax that CPU. The USB based externals running ASIO drivers are like huge pipes that allow all the data through in a timely and efficient manner and as a result the CPU numbers are very low. The computer itself also plays a part. My lappy would run a project with my Saffire interface and be around 30% fully loaded..... that same project in my custom desktop tower DAW runs at 15% CPU. Proper soundcard will get that number way down. On my old lappy, if I loaded a huge project with Ozone and Melodyne, and left them in the mix, it was possible to get up above 65% and somewhere around 80% I would start getting the glitches in sound. Often, that was intentional just to see...... I used bounce to track and other work arounds to get the numbers back below 50% when I saw that happening. As a side note..... you should shut off and close all other programs while working in MC. All the computer's available resources should be open to MC alone. No word processors, no games, no internet browser. A proper sound card will make a huge difference in the CPU numbers as well as the over all performance of MC or any other DAW.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2012/10/31 08:50:03
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57Gregy
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Re:Freeze Synth Troubles... Please Help.
2012/10/31 11:58:48
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Chadtindale That's not just Cakewalk pushing my CPU to 77%. It's also the other programs I typically run at the same time. I usually split my brain between two things at once on my two monitors. Watching a movie and playing a game. Working on music while catching up on cat videos. I really wish I could have two mouses that worked in two different programs without using two different computers. But Cakewalk itself rarely pulls more than 45% of the total CPU and that's when it's processing a pretty complex synth track, or several as I'm also known to do. Cool. I thought you might have an ancient computer, puffing and wheezing as it tried to pull the load up the hill.
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Guitarhacker
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Re:Freeze Synth Troubles... Please Help.
2012/10/31 13:26:51
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k Chadtindale ..... Watching a movie and playing a game. Working on music while catching up on cat videos.....
No wonder you are running such high CPU numbers..... "catching up on cat videos?"
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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