Freezing / unfreezing resets guitar rig, TH2- sometimes can't unfreeze

My standard process is to record guitar parts, drums, bass etc. Then I freeze the all tracks to optimize cpu for recording vocal tracks.  When I go to mix, I unfreeze all the tracks. I use guitar rig 5 and TH2 mostly. Recently I noticed when I unfreeze a track, the guitar rig setting are reset to basically nothing. meaning, when I recorded the track I had the knobs in the guitar rig set to various settings, when I unfreeze, all the knobs are set to zero. And I have also noticed on a couple of projects, I have a few traks that I can't seem to unfreeze.  I have been in the habit of making backups as I go, so I am able to load tracks from backups if needed, however its a pain. Has anyone else experienced this? any ideas why these 2 things would happen or how to fix them?

Also with GR you could turn off the "HI" samplerate setting if you need to turn down your buffers for tracking. You should have enough power to get away with quite a few instances without trouble.
 

have you ever been unable to "unfreeze" a track (yes that is a double negative).  lol.  :)

TraceyStudios
have you ever been unable to "unfreeze" a track (yes that is a double negative).  lol.  :)

I've never actually had the need to freeze anything on my system yet. It's pretty powerful and I optimized it. The only problem I've really had was recently with my read/write cache on a track that had like 50 audio tracks on it. However I do all my tracking very early on with only the FX I absolutely need like the amp sim. I've seen others mention problems with unfreeze so when I felt I should do something to free up some resources I've bounce to track and archived the originals.

On each track by the MSR buttons (Mute, Solo, Record) there is a button with a big "A" on it. That is the "Archive" button and it basically takes the the audio, effects and everything else out of the project for all practical purposes (without actually deleting or removing them so you can click the button again and revert them back to being audible/editable/etc). It's very handy for taking unnecessary load of the system. I use it for all my scratch tracks and tracks that are loaded down with takes that I've bounced to my working copy so I can go back to the originals if need be. There is also and option in the track manager to hide all archived tracks so you can make them all disappear from the track list/console with one action. It is a very nice feature.
 
Also I hope you've been well, Tracey. Haven't seen you in a while. Cheers and HNY.

Oh and when I archive something what I do is I'll clone the track after selecting all the takes/audio segments I want to use (basic editing/comping) then in the clone I'll delete are the unused takes, do whatever final edits (cropping, fades, that type of stuff) I want so it all sounds good and I'll bounce to clips to get one long clip/take. The I delete all the fragmented/empty lanes so I can simply work with the parent track or a single lane. I don't bounce the effects or anything when I do that so I can still screw around with parameters and such. It's basically just an editing clean up.
 
Then the original track gets archived just in case I want to try out the other stuff I laid down (particularly solos but sometimes certain rhythm performances, even if technically identical, sometimes sound better in a mix). I spend a loooong time making decisions on my final takes though so I've never actually gone back to my archived tracks except out of curiosity. However I like the idea of having all that there so maybe in 5, 10, 20 years I can do remixes based on the original recordings. Kind of like going into an old studio and finding a box of tape slices that hit the floor and adding new, but not new, flavor to an old fave.
 
Yes... this is the type of thing I think about. I'll definitely need to start investing in hard drives if I intend to keep this philosophy alive though. lol
 

Beepster

Thanks for the idea about saving the settings for GR5 before freezing, and then reloading them after unfreezing.

I've been saving my GR5 settings as a practice, with each one saved in its own GR5 folder/attribute for the song name and particular track/preset identifier. What I haven't been doing is following that practice all the time and also not doing a latest save before freezing. So it's an easy thing to do and seems clear it would resolve those moments of confusion when I've unfrozen and the guitar track sounds not quite like I remembered. I hadn't realized about the free/unfreeze anomaly.

I'll do the same for TH2 and PodFarm as well. Easy to do and seems like a great way to insure it's all there.

It is very good practice to save VST presets "just in case," and be sure to include the folders you save them to in your backups as well. Markyzno posted that a few times about unfreezing GR5, and I am thankful he did as well.

Its a known issue and Beep has said what I have found out before.

Hopefully the Bakers will work with NI on this as I'm sure Noel or somebody from Cake has said before.

Follow Beeps advice tho and you should be OK.