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2015/03/11 22:01:31 (permalink)

Friday After Breakfast (here's the new mix with bass)

It's been a long time since I posted a new song. I just finished a new one called "Friday After Breakfast". I would appreciate any feedback and suggestions about the mix and the song overall. I kept it real simple- one rhythm guitar, drums, flute, and one vocal.
 
Edit: Ok. I made some changes here:
I added a bass.
I cloned the guitar. Panned one hard left, put some delay on the other and panned it hard right. Thought that might be a simple way to add more width to the stereo field.
Changed the drum kit.
Panned the flute a little more off center.
Took a little high end off of the lead voc. Added a couple of harmony vox on the last chorus.
 
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13073028
 
Please let me know what you think- what works, what doesn't.
 
This mix was done in headphones. I found out while adding the bass that my monitors' foam surrounds are deteriorating and were buzzing. So I'm going to try to replace them.
 
Thanks.
Doug 
post edited by DougCPilot - 2015/03/22 21:47:32

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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/12 01:26:50 (permalink)
    Hey there quirky chord man, sounds good, lyrics are suggestive and sly.
     
    I absolutely would bring the bass up, you can barely hear it. Is there bass on this? I think you'd need the bass to drive the tune. It's a good song, kind of Al Stewart-ish maybe? I'll have another helping of bass, please!
     
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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/12 12:45:24 (permalink)
    Nice ... reminds me a bit of Bruce Cockburn (good thing)


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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/12 13:39:32 (permalink)
    Enjoyable tune nice played and sung Doug, For the mix perhaps a little to all down the middle a little subtle panning of the guitar and flute anywhere between 10 to 20% of centre just to open up a cleaner space for the vocal.
     
    Nice job though thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/12 15:25:50 (permalink)
    Tom- No, there is no bass in the song. I was thinking that the guitar part alone would carry the song kinda like in the days when I played solo in the clubs. I think that's where those "quirky chords" came from. I'll think about adding some bass. Glad you like the chords and lyrics.
     
    Tlawhon- Bruce Cockburn, I know the name but I can't say that I know any of his music.
     
    Wookiee- There is some panning there but maybe it's too subtle. I'll take a look at that.
     
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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/12 18:55:19 (permalink)
    I really like this Doug - just my cup of tea.
    I am a big fan of Kings of Convenience and I'm getting their vibe from this.
    Would you be interested in doing a song together sometime? 
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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/12 19:26:19 (permalink)
    Daryl, could be fun. I'll PM you.

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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/16 14:45:26 (permalink)
    Nice chord changes + vocal melodies... very cool, good stuff.   The acoustic sounds really good, as does the flute solo.   Some of the drum parts sound a little off-time but nothing drastic.
     
    Mix-wise...  I'm really missing that bottom end.   I think get what you were going for but it sounds like type of song that could use the whole band.   An acoustic or fretless bass (real or otherwise) might work nicely in this context.
     

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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/16 19:55:06 (permalink)
    Steve, thanks. I'm glad you like it. I'll try adding a bass to it. I also had some cool BG vox that came in on the last verse and chorus that I left out of the mix to keep it simpler. Maybe I'll put it all together and re-post the full ensemble version. 

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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/17 09:43:46 (permalink)
    Nice song Doug....the chords/rhythm remind me a bit of America (Ventura Hwy.). I agree with what most said on the lower end and even possibly bringing up the acoustic a dB or 2.....(at times the drums/cymbal crashes) seemed louder than the acoustic.  The vocals came out very nice....listening via my H-phones.
    Thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/17 15:54:49 (permalink)
    Mesh- There is definitely a similarity in the rhythm and the chords/melody of the first line. Since I was a big America fan, there may have been something subconscious at work there. I didn't realize it at first but when I did, it bothered me a little. But when I compared them side by side, I realized that the similarity in the chords/melody ends with the first line so I'm going to let it be. If it goes viral, I'll consult my lawyer.
     
    Thanks for listening. I'm working on the low end. I'll listen to that guitar level.
     
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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/17 16:59:51 (permalink)
    I don't comment on the mix of music....... that can always be done and done again
    I really liked the song.......... good writing
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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/18 18:02:42 (permalink)
    ibediggin- I'm glad you like the song. Thanks for listening.

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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/19 15:22:58 (permalink)
    Reminded me of America also.  I like the chord changes and the tune concept.  It sounds VERY mono to me...why not open it up with some creative panning?  It also sounds very low volume compared to other songs I've been previewing... do you use any mastering software such as Ozone?  And as the others have mentioned, it is really missing low end.
    Did like the vocals.  Cool tune my friend.

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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/19 16:00:42 (permalink)
    Very nice indeed!! Nothing to add to the above comment.  As far as the bass, that is a personal choice.  I kinda would like to hear it but then again it might give the song a less intimate feel. 
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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/20 19:48:50 (permalink)
    Tony- No, I don't have any mastering software, I just use the Boost11 to bring up my volume. I can bring it up some more. And I'll work on the stereo spread. I hope to post a new version this weekend.
     
    Freddy- I think I agree with you about the addition of the bass giving the song a less intimate feel. I've been working on a bass line this week but I keep paring it back further and further because it seems to compete with the guitar. Maybe that's going to come down to the right EQ and mix.
     
    Do you think that just EQing the guitar might bring up the low end enough so that it sounds fuller without adding a bass?
     
    I'm glad you guys like the song. Thanks for the feedback.

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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/20 21:19:19 (permalink)
    I like this cool, breezy, jazzy song.  It gives a nice, laid back vibe that puts me in a good mood.  As for the technical stuff, no, I don't think you can EQ you guitar to fill the missing bass unless you rearrange the part.  The lack of bass didn't  really bother me, actually, but the drums sound like they're in a different space from the rest of the instruments.  Nor, do I think the bass and snare are particularly right for this vibe, but that's personal preference.  Other than that, this is on its way to becoming a winner!

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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/21 08:41:47 (permalink)
    Lynn- Interesting that you think the drums sound like they're in a different space. This is the first time that I stripped the native reverb off the plugins and ran everything through the same reverb bus to get them all "in the same space". I'm not sure what else would affect that aspect of the mix. Any suggestions?
     
    As far as the bass and snare choice, I didn't over-think that; I just used the default SI Drums. I think there are only a couple of choices for those sounds. I also have Session Drummer and EZDrummer, but I started with SI and just stuck with it.
    Depending on how much more time and patience I have with this song, maybe I'll audition some other kits.
     
    I'm glad you like the song.To me, that's just as important (or maybe more important) as getting critiques on the recording.
     
    I was never a big fan of the whole engineering/mixing aspect of the recording process. The big thrill for me is the creative process- coming up with an interesting chord sequence/ rhythm/ melody line, etc, and then getting it down and embellishing it. After a certain point in the mixing phase it starts becoming a chore. I like this song a lot and I'll consider everyone's suggestions (that's why I posted here) and try again, but to be honest I don't have the system/room/ears/patience/time to really get it right. After all is said and done, I'm okay with settling for a decent recording/performance of my songs that friends and family will enjoy, accepting the fact that they won't be perfect. (The songs, that is.)
     
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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/21 11:07:15 (permalink)
    Doug, I know exactly what you mean about enjoying the creative process more than the mixing or mastering end.  I understand better why your drums sound as they do.  Please just  take this crit like asking what color of shirt do I wear today?  This song and your performance are so good that they deserve the star treatment.

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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/21 13:13:21 (permalink)
    Thanks, Lynn.

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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/21 13:30:12 (permalink)
    That's a nicely written song, and the slightly off-hand, laid-back vocal delivery works well. I think people are missing a bass because there are drums - the ear needs to complete the rhythm section. I think it would work just as well without drums, or maybe just light percussion instead of the kit.

     
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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/21 15:00:27 (permalink)
    Someone mentioned mastering with Ozone. I think that would add to a great tune. Also a little bass. Very good as is, though. Enjoyed the listen.

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    Friday After Breakfast- new mix with bass 2015/03/21 15:55:52 (permalink)
    Ok. I made some changes here:
    I added a bass.
    I cloned the guitar. Panned one hard left, put some delay on the other and panned it hard right. Thought that might be a simple way to add more width to the stereo field.
    Changed the drum kit.
    Panned the flute a little more off center.
    Took a little high end off of the lead voc. Added a couple of harmony vox on the last chorus.
     
    http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13073028
     
    Please let me know what you think- what works, what doesn't.
     
    This mix was done in headphones. I found out while adding the bass that my monitors' foam surrounds are deteriorating and were buzzing. So I'm going to try to replace them.
     
    Thanks.
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    Re: Friday After Breakfast 2015/03/21 15:57:55 (permalink)
    Thanks for the kind words James and Chas. Please check out the new mix that I posted.
     
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    Re: Friday After Breakfast- new mix with bass 2015/03/21 16:42:55 (permalink)
    Really nice song, Doug, and very well done.  The bass made a dramatic difference... really moves it along.  I enjoyed it.
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    Re: Friday After Breakfast- new mix with bass 2015/03/22 08:28:34 (permalink)
    Thanks, Phil.

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    Re: Friday After Breakfast- new mix with bass 2015/03/22 08:58:49 (permalink)
    Very nice improvement.  Got yer groove goin'!  Maybe pull that left guitar in (to the right) just a hair??

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    Re: Friday After Breakfast- new mix with bass 2015/03/22 13:41:17 (permalink)
    Yes definite improvement overall, it was nice before but you have just added some icing on it.

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    Re: Friday After Breakfast- new mix with bass 2015/03/23 19:33:21 (permalink)
    Thanks Tony and Wooks.

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    Re: Friday After Breakfast- new mix with bass 2015/03/24 13:32:06 (permalink)
    I like the direction the new mix is taking, Doug. Here's what I'd do next if it was my song...the mix is unbalanced by the acoustic guitar on the left, which needs something in the right channel to balance it out. Maybe another acoustic guitar track duplicating the first, perhaps with a 12-string. But that's just one possibility. Sometimes a percussion instrument can serve that purpose, such as a shaker (the song might benefit from some subtle pushed-to-the-back percussion, e.g. congas/bongos). Being a keyboard player, I usually end up using piano or organ to balance a hard-panned acoustic guitar.
     
    But whatever you do, keep that great clean vocal right up front and personal like it is. It's the best thing the song's got going for it.


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