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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/21 15:00:33 (permalink)
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I'd recommend reverse-engineering the 30 Sonitus-based FX Chains that were in the June release.

Thanks, Im liking the FX-Chain tip series also, like the reverb/channel tool, also making a lot of use of the ambient room mic tip.
Im uncertain where to access the new 30 Sonitus-based FX-Chains, i'd skipped the June release would they have still loaded in subsequent updates? 

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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/21 15:32:07 (permalink)
I like this a lot Craig. I may but a couple of these for different reverb vst's. Thanks as always. Good stuff!

 
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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/21 15:49:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2017/07/21 16:06:30
Add a chorus to the reverb after this chain for some added movement to the reverb. Very lightly, so you don't really hear the chorus as an effect.
 
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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/21 16:42:08 (permalink)
Never thought of that! Good use of Channel tools. Used this tip right away to great results! Back ground vox sat in the back and mixed right in!! Had that nice airy feel to them also!

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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/21 17:00:40 (permalink)
Thanks, so I guess you'd just create separate FX Chains for different reverb types e.g. Hall, Room, Plate? I was using BReverb 2, and added knob for Hall Reverb time, (for now), and just set nominal wet and dry levels on reverb controls, (for now), guess I could add a knob to adjust wet or dry level also.
 
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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/21 19:21:49 (permalink)
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Im uncertain where to access the new 30 Sonitus-based FX-Chains, i'd skipped the June release would they have still loaded in subsequent updates? 



 
Good question...I didn't have to find them because I have them . However, I did notice a download for them was in my account at the Cakewalk store as well as the CCC, so you might want to check there.

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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/21 19:25:09 (permalink)
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Im uncertain where to access the new 30 Sonitus-based FX-Chains, i'd skipped the June release would they have still loaded in subsequent updates? 



 
Good question...I didn't have to find them because I have them . However, I did notice a download for them was in my account at the Cakewalk store, so you might want to check there.


information is in the release announcement http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3624731
 
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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/22 00:26:03 (permalink)
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Im uncertain where to access the new 30 Sonitus-based FX-Chains, i'd skipped the June release would they have still loaded in subsequent updates? 

 
Good question...I didn't have to find them because I have them . However, I did notice a download for them was in my account at the Cakewalk store, so you might want to check there.


information is in the release announcement http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3624731

 
Excellent, thanks Scook, guess I missed that link before, I had to select "redeem" to have it added to my products list.
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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/22 02:52:43 (permalink)
Made this FX Chain (I had to make it right) last night. Does what I want channel tools to do, in a package I prefer. Good stuff!
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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/28 22:35:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Nino Vargas 2017/07/28 23:10:41
Week 156: Let's Get Punchy!
 
There are two ways to punch in Sonar: Auto-Punch, where recording occurs in a pre-defined region, or manual punching, which works like analog tape. Auto-Punch gets all the props and is probably what most SONARians use, but let’s talk about manual punching because you have different options that may be potentially more useful in some situations.
 
PUNCHING BASICS
 
The recording metronome starts when you hit the Transport’s Record button. So during auto-punching (where you hit usually hit Record prior to reaching the punch region), you’ll hear the metronome. With manual punching, you’ll hear the metronome only when you punch in by enabling the Transport Record button.
 
There’s an alternate method for manual punching. In Preferences, you can specify Allow Arm Changes During Playback/Record. The default is to let you record-enable/disable a track via the track record button only when the Transport is stopped, but checking this preference allows punching out with the record-enable button, assuming you had initiated recording by clicking on the Transport’s Record button. You can also punch back in after punching out.  Note that when punching in and out using the track’s record-enable button, if enabled for recording the metronome will always play back — even when not recording — because the Transport recording button will still be enabled.
 
The three punching modes have different results with Manual, Auto-Punch with Mute Previous Takes disabled, and Auto-Punch with Mute Previous Takes enabled. The following chart (I did the work so you don't have to ), which assumes Take Lanes are folded up while recording, summarizes what happens for the various modes. You can select the various modes, as well enable/disable the Auto-Punch options, through Preferences but it’s quicker to right-click on the Transport’s Recording button, which calls up the appropriate page from Preferences. So...punch away!
 

 

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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/29 01:01:41 (permalink)
Hi Craig. Nice. That's a handy table that will be very useful. Thank you. BTW have not had a chance to try out the big reverb tip from last week. Will though. Thanks!!

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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/29 11:06:05 (permalink)
"SONARians" LOL, what about the SONARites?
I've never really found using "punch" that useful to me, I guess for the way I record (myself), seems to me like somewhat of a remnant from the tape era, to conserve or limit splicing real tape? But apparently there's a number of options and scenarios to use it.  Usually I would just loop/comp record around the section I need to add/redo leaving an extra bar or 2 or more before and after 'punch" area needed and just create new tracks to cut and paste in. Perhaps from these options i may find a reason to retry using "punch".
 
 
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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/29 15:30:40 (permalink)
What I like about punching is the immediacy, especially when songwriting..."Hmm, I want to re-record that phrase. Select track, specify punch area, record, done." If it doesn't work, I just undo and try again.
 
When I'm writing I use a lot of "placeholder" parts, and while I don't expect them always to be the final versions, I do want them to sound decent. Also when I'm writing lyrics, I'll often replace a phrase here and there. There's no need to get involved in comping when a simple punch will do.
 
Comping is wonderful for sure, but I use it more with longer parts where I'm going to be making decisions as to which parts are better so they can be combined into a single take. Punching is great for replacing smaller sections - fast and efficient. When songwriting, I almost never comp. I attribute at least part of the speed with which I'm writing songs these days to punching.

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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/29 20:15:33 (permalink)
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I attribute at least part of the speed with which I'm writing songs these days to punching.

That probably explains why I take so long, LOL. I'd comp/record a lot of phrases, possibly changing,adding or removing words, and/or accents, expressions, etc., and later reorder within or between verses, problem with so many is procrastinating later which to use. LOL. (somewhat more so with guitar solos). Your method prevents this and hoarding a lot unused tracks.
I think I may have track hoarding issues?, LOL.
 
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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/29 20:32:39 (permalink)
Hi  my name is Michael and I'm a track hoarder, too..........  LOL
I tend to do another track and edit my way to happiness. I have used punch some, coming from the "tape planet", but will certainly consider doing more of it. Thanks for the chart. I can "retain" that.
 
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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/29 22:11:17 (permalink)
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Hi  my name is Michael and I'm a track hoarder, too..........  LOL
 

 The first step is admitting it, LOL
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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/31 09:17:26 (permalink)
Is it just me or does the need for a table like that suggest that the options and workflows need simplifying?

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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/31 11:37:56 (permalink)
No it's not just you. I would love to see more streamlining, as well as context sensitive or self-evident choices for things like this. As a devil's advocate, and to use a car analogy, I view this as more akin to the circuit breaker panel guide under your car's hood that tells you what amperage ratings the various breakers are in your car. As opposed to something more universal/standardized like the controls for your cruise control. Within SONAR I equate it more to the shortcut keys - a function of the power of the DAW, and require some homework to learn (or not if you never use the feature).
But yeah.

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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/31 13:50:29 (permalink)
I guess choices may vary with personal workflow, whether a voice or instrument, and if recording yourself alone, or someone else and in full control of DAW.

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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/31 14:07:55 (permalink)
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Is it just me or does the need for a table like that suggest that the options and workflows need simplifying?



 
I prefer to think that the chart summarizes all possible options. I originally wrote it as text, but the chart seemed clearer. You'll note that there are more similarities than differences - for example with Sound on Sound, the three options are the same except for Auto-Punch with Mute Previous Takes enabled, where you don't hear previous takes and the waveform shows an outline to remind you muting is enabled. The only difference with Overwrite is the Manual mode, where punched material is deleted, and the punched material appears in a new Take lane.
 
I suppose I could do a version where the similar sections are blank, and only the differences are filled in, to make it look less intimidating.

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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/31 14:37:23 (permalink)
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I suppose I could do a version where the similar sections are blank, and only the differences are filled in, to make it look less intimidating.


Not a good use of your time, IMO. Thanks for the chart!
 
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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/31 14:43:01 (permalink)
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I prefer to think that the chart summarizes all possible options. 



I guess the comping section of chart refers to looping around a section, and also activating punch area within the looped area, be it the same area, or extending loop area beyond punch area as a cue to punch section? But allowing comping only punch section, useful when recording yourself alone.   

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I suppose I could do a version where the similar sections are blank, and only the differences are filled in, to make it look less intimidating.


Not a good use of your time, IMO. Thanks for the chart!
 
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+2 - IMO it's an awesome chart that I've already committed to my OneNote SONAR file and will hopefully make a lot of use out of. Nothing wrong with the chart at all for the information it conveys. Just one of those things. 

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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/07/31 23:26:16 (permalink)
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Is it just me or does the need for a table like that suggest that the options and workflows need simplifying?


I like the chart. There are just a fair number of options but this let's me quickly figure out what's the same and what's different.

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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/08/01 18:50:10 (permalink)
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Is it just me or does the need for a table like that suggest that the options and workflows need simplifying?



 
I prefer to think that the chart summarizes all possible options. I originally wrote it as text, but the chart seemed clearer. You'll note that there are more similarities than differences - for example with Sound on Sound, the three options are the same except for Auto-Punch with Mute Previous Takes enabled, where you don't hear previous takes and the waveform shows an outline to remind you muting is enabled. The only difference with Overwrite is the Manual mode, where punched material is deleted, and the punched material appears in a new Take lane.
 
I suppose I could do a version where the similar sections are blank, and only the differences are filled in, to make it look less intimidating.




That's not my point (and I agree, it's not a good use of your time :-)).  I see this in other - business - software too, where one option affects multiple settings behind the scenes.  It may be logical from the programmer's perspective, but from the end user (or support staff!), it's not.
 
My approach would be to have one setting that says "Hear original take while recording?" (Y/N), "Punched material in new take lanes?" (Y/N) etc, so that the user can always see what the result will be without needing to remember or refer to a chart.  What's the downside?

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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/08/01 19:22:40 (permalink)
Well I'm no programmer, but I assume each of those three modes has certain "rules," and you might not have options in one mode that exist in other modes. There probably would be a way to figure out a matrix with all the check boxes to do what you need, but then that might be more complicated than just choosing a mode if you knew what the mode did.
 
I guess a lot of it would also depend on which mode you use. For example if you use mostly comping, the only variance you need to remember is that you can hear the original section if Auto is selected. So choosing options wouldn't really be necessary. 
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of simplification. I think all DAWs are too complicated, but I have the luxury of not knowing what constraints there are on code vs. flexibility vs. functionality .

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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/08/03 21:39:20 (permalink)
Thank you very much, Craig :) Very useful and very clear, it should be added to official help :)

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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/08/04 21:59:14 (permalink)
Week 157: The Missing—and Non-Missing—Link
 
Okay folks, this is an "eat your vegetables" kind of tip as opposed to some sexy, rocket science way to make the Sonitus Modulator plug-in hack into alien invasion transmissions. But SONAR's linking feature has been around for a while, so unless you’ve used it recently, it might be a good time for a refresher course—especially because the “rules” for MIDI and audio clips are somewhat different.
 
CREATING A LINKED COPY
 
SONAR's clip-linking function lets you make an edit in one clip that affects all linked copies of that clip. When you copy a track and Paste Special, one of the Paste Special options will be “Link to Original Copy.” Check this prior to pasting, and the copy will link to the original.
 

 
Linked copies are easy to differentiate from other clips because they are surrounded by a dotted rather than a solid line; the original clip will also be surrounded by a dotted line.
 
You can also create linked clips when you copy clips via Ctrl-drag. Before copying, choose Options > Drag and Drop Options, then check “Copy Entire Clips as Linked Clips.”
 

 
Note that this option persists—it remains until you uncheck the box.
 
AUDIO VS. MIDI LINKING
 
Linking works differently with audio clips than with MIDI clips. With audio clips, links don't apply to audio processes that “point” to the clip, such as adding a fade, changing a clip envelope, or slip edting; linking is mostly about having Cakewalk's audio processes (Gain, Normalize, Reverse, etc.) affect all linked clips. Linking also applies if you change a clip's color.
 
However, applying audio effects from a plug-in to a clip will affect that clip, but not other linked clips. Furthermore, the processed clip will become unlinked because it’s no longer like the other clips. Similarly, turning a clip into a Groove Clip will also unlink it from other linked clips.
 
With MIDI, linked clips reflect any changes in notes and controllers. This is very useful when building a song, because you can lay down quick sequenced parts and copy them to save time. Then if you want to make any changes, no problem—edit one clip and the changes will occur automatically in the other clips.
 
UNLINKING
 
But what if you want to edit a clip without affecting the linked clips? You can’t, which brings us to unlinking. To unlink a clip, right-click on it and select Unlink (to unlink multiple clips, select the clips you want to unlink, right-click on any one of them, then select Unlink). A menu now appears that provides two options: “New Linked Group” or “Independent, Not Linked at All.”
 

 
  • If you selected a single clip for unlinking, it doesn't matter which option you choose; the clip you unlink will become independent of the other linked clips, which will continue to be linked.
  • If you selected multiple clips, selecting “New Linked Group” will link the selected clips, while unlinking them from previous links.
 
For example, suppose there are four linked clips — 4A, 4B, 4C, and 4D. You decide to unlink 4C and 4D. With “New Linked Group” selected, clips 4A and 4B remain linked, and 4C and 4D become linked to each other but are independent of 4A and 4B. If you select “Independent, Not Linked at All,” then neither 4C nor 4D are linked to anything.
 
However, think twice before unlinking clips. Once you do, you can't re-link them except by using the Edit > Undo function. Instead, you'll have to copy the original again and specify that you want to create a linked clip.
 
ONE MORE TRICK
 
Here's one more link trick: you can select all linked clips automatically, which makes it easy to move, copy or delete the clips as a single unit—sort of a variation on what you can do with the Create Selection Group function. To do this, right-click on any of the linked clips and choose “Select All Siblings.” This is also handy if you've lost track of which clips are linked, and want to see a “family” of linked clips.

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Re: SONAR X August: 31 Days of Tips 2017/08/05 11:26:51 (permalink)
Nice. Thanks Craig, I'm going to create a link to this. 

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