From Home studio 7 to X1 Studio

Just upgraded from 7 to X1 studio and purchased a V-Studio 100, wanted all to match and am happy with both. However, I do have an issue with X1 that I did not have in 7. Playback and recording are pooping and cracking like crazy! I can open a song created with 7 in X1 and you cant even hear it for the pops, but it plays flawlessly in 7? Same PC, Lenovo laptop, win 7 64bit, 4.0GB ram 2.0GHz intel p6100 processor. Is there really that much difference in the buffering between HS7 and X1? I can adjust it all the way to safe mode and it does improve but by no means does it go away? I am stunned there could be that much difference between the 2 programs, but I am by no means an expert at this and my only previous experience is with Home studio 7, I found it very easy to use and had good results. Do I need different drivers for X1? Any help would be much appreciated!

no safe mode needed its your buffer settings on either your sound card or your buffers in queue..start moving them around till you lose the cracks and poops.
dj sur..though i found this wicked funny atleast help the guy.

TmT@5705


Just upgraded from 7 to X1 studio and purchased a V-Studio 100, wanted all to match and am happy with both. However, I do have an issue with X1 that I did not have in 7. Playback and recording are pooping and cracking like crazy! I can open a song created with 7 in X1 and you cant even hear it for the pops, but it plays flawlessly in 7? Same PC, Lenovo laptop, win 7 64bit, 4.0GB ram 2.0GHz intel p6100 processor. Is there really that much difference in the buffering between HS7 and X1? I can adjust it all the way to safe mode and it does improve but by no means does it go away? I am stunned there could be that much difference between the 2 programs, but I am by no means an expert at this and my only previous experience is with Home studio 7, I found it very easy to use and had good results. Do I need different drivers for X1? Any help would be much appreciated!

The V-studio 100 should have good ASIO drivers.  change to ASIO driver mode and adjust your hardware buffers in the v-100 software if necessary.  after changing to ASIO driver mode, what is your reported latency in OPTIONS>AUDIO?

TmT@5705


Thanks Charlie, I was just surprised to see that everything in 7 works great and then this problem in X1 and wondered if they were that much different, the sound card in the PC sounds great with 7 so I am guessing it is not that but the buffering settings in X1?
 
Oh and DJ, glad I could make your day!

I'm not following. Are you using the sound card in the PC for Sonar 7, and the VS-100 for X1? If so - why?
The VS-100 will work with both (don't use the PC's built in sound at all), and as others have mentioned you just need to adjust your buffer settings. I have the VS-100 and both ASIO or WDM work great with it.

Thanks for clarifying.
Don't be too alarmed at this time. I don't think it should be expected that X1 work with an internal sound card with the same settings as 7 did. Even for that card, adjusting buffers may work (if you have WDM or ASIO drivers). If you are using MME - all bets are off

But none of that really matters since you have the VS-100. Get it up and running, setup X1 to use it and things should be fine.

Tom - you seem to have skipped over my post above.

if you don't understand how to change to ASIO driver mode, I'll be happy to explain it.

OPTIONS>AUDIO>DRIVER MODE = ASIO
click APPLY

also in that window will be the RECORDING and PLAYBACK DEVICE(S).  make sure the VS-100 is listed in both of them and SELECTED.

then at the bottom of that same window, that's where the REPORTED LATENCY is listed.  once you've done all that and told us what the reported latency is, and told us if you still have the problem or not after changing to ASIO, then we'll work on changing the latency to something more usable if necessary.

also, make sure you have your studio monitors/speakers or headphones connected to the VS-100, NOT to the onboard soundcard.  changing to ASIO will eliminate the onboard soundcard for use with sonar.  that's what you want, tho, you do not want to use the onboard soundcard with sonar.

am I understanding that you're trying to plug the behringers into the headphone jack of the VS-100?  if so, why?

change the RCA to 1/4" TS plugs and plug those into the MAIN OUTS of the VS-100 on the back (main outs 1/2)

OR plug the RCA directly into the RCA jacks 5 & 6 on the back of the VS-100, then you'll need to set your project MASTER BUS outputs to VS-100 5 & 6 instead of 1 & 2.

Although you can set 5&6 as the main out, with the VS-100 I would suggest changing that to 1&2. The back of the VS softly suggests this by calling it the "main outputs"

Why? There is no internal routing on the VS-100, and the "playback knob" is tied to the main outs (1&2). That gives you really quick hardware control of the overall output volume.

But of course - this is not a rule written in stone. Whatever suits your workflow best is all that matters.

Glad you got things going!
 
EDIT: If you use the headphone output on the VS-100 you will likely want to use output 1&2. If you route Sonar through anything other than 1&2 it will not be sent to the Headphone Jack at all. You can certainly setup a monitor mix on outputs 1 & 2, but that might be more trouble that it is worth - especially while you are getting acquainted with the unit.
 
1 & 2 is not only labeled as the main out on the VS-100, it also appears in the display (meters) of the VS as "DAW".
I'm not saying you have to use it like that, I'm just mentioning this in case you were not aware of it.

TmT@5705


hmmmm, I see I was not aware of that thank you. My monitors only have RCA jacks so it was easier to run through 5,6. But I could use an RCA to 1/4" and come out of 1,2. Might be what I do in the future now that I know that. But then again, sounds like an excuse to by new monitors to me;). I sure do appreciate all the information, it has really been a big help!

new monitors would be ideal!  do some research before you plomp down your dough, though!

EDIT: If you use the headphone output on the VS-100 you will likely want to use output 1&2. If you route Sonar through anything other than 1&2 it will not be sent to the Headphone Jack at all. You can certainly setup a monitor mix on outputs 1 & 2, but that might be more trouble that it is worth - especially while you are getting acquainted with the unit.


OK, I know I have done something stupid:) I set the outputs back to 1-2 but still have nothing out of the headphones when I try and record a new track. I can however hear an older file or and effect out of the headphones. I should be able to monitor the live recording out of the headphones correct? I get signal levels both in sonar and the V-100 just no sound through headphones when I try to speak through the mic.

Oh and Beagle , I always research any purchases like that, it took me weeks to decide on the V-100 and X1, no regrets! I wanted hardware and software to match AND found someone who used the V-100 for a few weeks and bought something else so I paid about half price for it!:).