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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/05 11:06:27
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Come on Mettelus, if you don't know, don't post. (Wrong, btw --- that's how it used to be, and a better way it was, but now it's the other way). I think note select only captures notes entirely in the box (just in case you happen to touch stray notes you don't want). Not 100% sure though. Clips just need to be touched to get selected.
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/05 11:11:10
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To answer Anderton's question midway above, what to do with note zones? A) leave out velocity altogether, why in the world have that as a zone when it is available two other good ways (controller pane, or "show velocity with note") B) we want to drag a notes' length, perhaps: ok possibly one zone on the right side. C) other than that, we want to move a note vertically or horizontally, and that should depend entirely on the direction of the mouse movement, NOT on whether we click in some particular place. We might want to open the properties, so that's a good use for either right click or double click, but make it CONFIGURABLE. I can't think many people would miss being able to lengthen a note to the left, but if so, then MAKE IT CONFIGURABLE. If configurable is too difficult then look at sonar 3 through 8 .... that worked, was simple, never made me curse cakewalk.
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/05 12:23:00
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tomixornot
>Here is the video
https://youtu.be/l3j9houF39E
Does this look like a bug ? If yes, I'm going ahead to file a bug report.
Hi, I can't reproduce this behaviour, but in your video it looks like if the right button of your mouse is performing a fast double click instead a single click. I've had a similar problem with a mouse some years ago which performed a (left) double click instead a single click, not from the beginning but it got worse over time.
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/05 12:38:26
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Thanks. I'm gonna spend sometime going back to X3 to complete my project and check. As far as I remembered, there is no such problem with X3.
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/05 18:55:06
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Klaus
tomixornot
>Here is the video
https://youtu.be/l3j9houF39E
Does this look like a bug ? If yes, I'm going ahead to file a bug report.
Hi,
I can't reproduce this behaviour, but in your video it looks like if the right button of your mouse is performing a fast double click instead a single click.
I've had a similar problem with a mouse some years ago which performed a (left) double click instead a single click, not from the beginning but it got worse over time.
That doesn't explain it. Right double-click doesn't show properties.
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/05 19:02:18
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williamcopper
To answer Anderton's question midway above, what to do with note zones? A) leave out velocity altogether, why in the world have that as a zone when it is available two other good ways (controller pane, or "show velocity with note") B) we want to drag a notes' length, perhaps: ok possibly one zone on the right side. C) other than that, we want to move a note vertically or horizontally, and that should depend entirely on the direction of the mouse movement, NOT on whether we click in some particular place. We might want to open the properties, so that's a good use for either right click or double click, but make it CONFIGURABLE. I can't think many people would miss being able to lengthen a note to the left, but if so, then MAKE IT CONFIGURABLE. If configurable is too difficult then look at sonar 3 through 8 .... that worked, was simple, never made me curse cakewalk.
In the inline PRV there's no controller pane and I don't consider that a good solution in the main PRV either -- I need to see the velocities on the notes. And how does "show velocity with note" help you EDIT velocity? There simply will never be a satisfactory smart tool, nor any other drawing tool so long as Cakewalk decides how they should function. People have individual workflows. williamcopper
MAKE IT CONFIGURABLE.
BINGO.
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/05 19:06:43
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I cannot repro with Platinum E. I'd like to see a video with the full screen. Or at least a screenshot immediately after the issue. I would also recommend the OP runs windows update, updates his chipset drivers (on intel driver update) and considers a motherboard BIOS update in case this is a hardware issue or some problem with windows not receiving the KVM messages correctly.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/07/05 19:13:52
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/06 01:25:06
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I spent most of today editing MIDI. And had the same problem as the OP. It got to be very frustrating to say the least!
Just as he experienced, it would often take several attempts to lasso a group of notes w/o the Properties box appearing. I'd try lassoing a thin box (everything the box touches should activate) and it didn't work. Try to lasso large areas, like most of the notes within the box, and still get properties dialogue. Over and over until it 'stuck' and I could edit as I wanted.
Didn't try to pin down the problem and find a solution today as I didn't have the time to stop what I was doing. I'll have more time in the next few days to research.
Just reinforcing what the OP reported. Left-click, hold and lasso is not working as intended for me.
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/06 04:50:18
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Klaus
tomixornot
>Here is the video
https://youtu.be/l3j9houF39E
Does this look like a bug ? If yes, I'm going ahead to file a bug report.
Hi,
I can't reproduce this behaviour, but in your video it looks like if the right button of your mouse is performing a fast double click instead a single click.
I've had a similar problem with a mouse some years ago which performed a (left) double click instead a single click, not from the beginning but it got worse over time.
That doesn't explain it. Right double-click doesn't show properties.
That's not what I said. Right click, hold and lasso - followed by another "faulty" right click after releasing the button would produce what I see in his video. Anyway, if he doesn't have that problem in X3, then the reason is obviously not a defective mouse.
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/06 05:10:31
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Tunerman
I spent most of today editing MIDI. And had the same problem as the OP. It got to be very frustrating to say the least!
Just as he experienced, it would often take several attempts to lasso a group of notes w/o the Properties box appearing. I'd try lassoing a thin box (everything the box touches should activate) and it didn't work. Try to lasso large areas, like most of the notes within the box, and still get properties dialogue. Over and over until it 'stuck' and I could edit as I wanted.
Didn't try to pin down the problem and find a solution today as I didn't have the time to stop what I was doing. I'll have more time in the next few days to research.
Just reinforcing what the OP reported. Left-click, hold and lasso is not working as intended for me.
Tunerman, just checking, do make sure the Smart Tool is ON, otherwise you will sure hit the problem.
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/06 07:30:08
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Tunerman
I spent most of today editing MIDI. And had the same problem as the OP. It got to be very frustrating to say the least!
Just as he experienced, it would often take several attempts to lasso a group of notes w/o the Properties box appearing. I'd try lassoing a thin box (everything the box touches should activate) and it didn't work. Try to lasso large areas, like most of the notes within the box, and still get properties dialogue. Over and over until it 'stuck' and I could edit as I wanted.
Didn't try to pin down the problem and find a solution today as I didn't have the time to stop what I was doing. I'll have more time in the next few days to research.
Just reinforcing what the OP reported. Left-click, hold and lasso is not working as intended for me.
So is the issue lassoing large number of notes rather than small numbers? In which case this would point to an inefficiency with the Sonar code. If this is a "large area" might be best to post screenshots so we can try and repro it better. Try and drag in a midi clip from the content library (let us know which clip you dragged in). This may help us get the specific conditions to repro. If the issue is about dragging multiple times then maybe something to do with the code and the clipboard and KVM messages. We need more specifics please. In the meantime you could you try post #37 that may make the difference (KVM messages may be more efficient after that).
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/07/06 07:36:51
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/06 18:02:04
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This is super easy to reproduce. Right-clicking where there isn't a note opens the context menu. So if you're trying to select one or more notes by right click-dragging, and you start your click-drag where there's no note (which is perfectly fine), if you let your finger up for a split second before you drag the cursor onto a note, the context menu opens.
It's easy to do because the right mouse button is controlled by your middle finger which is a little weaker and a little less coordinated than your index finger.
It's a pain and workflow killer because if all that happened was you lost the drawing rectangle, you could just click drag again. But because the context menu pops up, you have to his the escape key to make it go away before you can try again.
If we can customization you could assign the context menu function somewhere else so this wouldn't happen.
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/06 18:15:45
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Notecrusher
...if you let your finger up for a split second before you drag the cursor onto a note, the context menu opens.
That's not happening in the OP's video. Somethings definitely not right with what's shown the video, but I can't reproduce it.
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/06 18:36:06
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...if you let your finger up for a split second before you drag the cursor onto a note, the context menu opens.
That's not happening in the OP's video. Somethings definitely not right with what's shown the video, but I can't reproduce it.
What happens in the video is when he releases the button after he's done selecting he slightly taps the button. Remember -- right mouse button on no note opens the context menu. And again, the middle finger is a little less coordinated. Easy to repro.
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/06 19:02:22
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...if you let your finger up for a split second before you drag the cursor onto a note, the context menu opens.
That's not happening in the OP's video. Somethings definitely not right with what's shown the video, but I can't reproduce it.
What happens in the video is when he releases the button after he's done selecting he slightly taps the button. Remember -- right mouse button on no note opens the context menu. And again, the middle finger is a little less coordinated. Easy to repro.
Several things tell me that's not what's happening: 1. The note is never getting selected even for a moment. If he were getting an inadvertent double-click on releasing the button after lassoing, the note he lassoed would be selected/darkened for a moment before the context menu opened. 2. The context menu is opening so immediately after the lasso highlight disappears, it seems pretty clearly to be the result of a single mouse-switch event. 3. Granted, my middle finger is getting quite coordinated from all the practice it gets while commuting to work these days  , but I can't repro the problem no matter how fast and sloppy I work.
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/06 19:26:21
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I tried this to see if I could duplicate the problem. I right click drag and it selected the note and notes within the drag area as is to be expected. The video appears to indicate a faulty mouse. This was done in the PRV Sonar Platinum 64 bit F. In the In line PRV it has selected the area that is selected in the PRV.
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/06 19:54:47
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I can NOT reproduce this with a single click. Everything works fine here... one note to a zillion... Only way is to double click fast, which deselects the notes and brings up the properties... try another mouse... I agree... (QUIT MOUSIN' AROUND!!!)  Regarding all the talk about wanting reassignable tools... if keybindings don't work (i'm ignorant here) then PLEASE think this out REAL clearly, and compose a coherent feature request rather than disrupting the OP's thread...  At that point, others can vote on it and comment and the bakers can cue this up for a fantastic monthly surprise... Makes sense??? 
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/06 20:34:06
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I wish I had said what Vastman said above. Thank you Vastman.
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/06 22:56:15
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brundlefly
The note is never getting selected even for a moment. If he were getting an inadvertent double-click on releasing the button after lassoing, the note he lassoed would be selected/darkened for a moment before the context menu opened.
That's true the note isn't getting selected before the context menu opens. I can repro what's in the video just through repetition, so it's not the user's mouse. It happens maybe one out of twenty times for me. Suggest the user submit a bug report to Cake. Vastman
Regarding all the talk about wanting reassignable tools... if keybindings don't work (i'm ignorant here) then PLEASE think this out REAL clearly, and compose a coherent feature request rather than disrupting the OP's thread... At that point, others can vote on it and comment and the bakers can cue this up for a fantastic monthly surprise... Makes sense???
Um, NO. What makes you think it hasn't been requested? It's been requested multiple times. Most recently here: http://forum.cakewalk.com...art-Tool-m3213535.aspx
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Tunerman
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Re: Frustrated with right-click at piano roll
2015/07/07 09:56:31
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Well, today everything is working as intended and any notes I selected were selected.
I made sure smart too was engaged and tested on small and large groups of notes.
Not once did properties appear as they so often did the other day. I'm flummoxed...
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