Glyn Barnes
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F#sus4
In the key of G Major - Really! It seems to work when all logic is telling me it should be Bm.
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bapu
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I ain't Bm for 47 years now.
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You'll have a Bm power chord and like it young man. I can't do sus4s with my '90s amp sims, they weren't invented 
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jamesg1213
You'll have a Bm power chord and like it young man. I can't do sus4s with my '90s amp sims, they weren't invented
And just who sussed that out for you?
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I use Am for everything now. For F#sus4 t00. Check it out and you t00 will use Am for everything 
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bayoubill
I use Am for everything now. For F#sus4 t00. Check it out and you t00 will use Am for everything
Yeah Am makes a great Bbmaj7 in a pinch.
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Glyn Barnes
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Just twat it up to Am then?
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Re: F#sus4
2017/08/02 17:22:43
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☄ Helpfulby Beepster 2017/08/02 18:11:56
Sure that is in fact a very good chord substitution in G Major If you take a G Major 7 Arpeggio you have most of what's in the F#sus 4 except whats in the F# sus4 chord contains all the hippest notes you can play over a G Major 7 th chord / tonality G Major arpeggio starting on the 7 th scale degree = F# G B D F# G B D F# G F # sus4 arpeggio ( eliminating the 3 rd scale degree ) starting on the 7 th scale degree = E F# B C# E F# A With the F#sus4 , what you have is a form of a pentatonic scale once you add the A note . All the notes in that scale are excellent because they introduce the upper harmonic content of the tonality itself when played over G example F# = Major 7 th of G . A = 9 th of G , B = 3rd of G , C# = the +4 of G , E = the 6 or 13 th of G , F# = the Major 7 th of G , rinse and repeat ... The Logic behind the B Minor is also considered a nice jumping off point in G since the B minor chord is so closely related to G Major . In Jazz when people play Standards they often will substitute a Minor chord a Major third above a Major 7 th chord ...The B Minor triad contains the third , the 5 th and the Major 7 th of a G Major 7 th chord When playing a B Minor 7th chord over a G Major 7 th chord, the A which is the flatted 7 th of B Minor turns out to be the 9 th of a G Major 7 th chord ...all arel very choice notes to play over a G Major chord The advantage of the F# sus 4 while in G is it introduces the C # ..This G major now becomes a Lydian type of sound and and tonality the +4 C# is a very expressive note choice over G Major and it it is much preferable to using the fourth scale degree in G which = C .. IMHO C# and D sounds way better than ever playing a C note over a G Major Chord ... Also the F # sus 4 make a nice 5 chord tension cadence when played just before a B minor in G ... I'm still having my coffee so my explanation could have been better written  Oh well you get what you get Kenny
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bayoubill
I use Am for everything now. For F#sus4 t00. Check it out and you t00 will use Am for everything
Yeah Am makes a great Bbmaj7 in a pinch.
Yes that is true Kenny
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bapu
bayoubill
I use Am for everything now. For F#sus4 t00. Check it out and you t00 will use Am for everything
Yeah Am makes a great Bbmaj7 in a pinch.
Yes that is true
Kenny
I've been Kendicated.
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michaelhanson
I think I will just play it by ear.
You could play it by nose (hopefully, when you don't have a cold).
“Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy” is attributed to Benjamin Franklin perhaps in error, but the thought remains a worthy sentiment nonetheless. 
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Re: F#sus4
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/08/02 19:42:10
bapu
Beagle will gladly listen to you play by ear as long as there is becan involved  Kenny
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Glyn Barnes
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kennywtelejazz
Sure that is in fact a very good chord substitution in G Major
If you take a G Major 7 Arpeggio you have most of what's in the F#sus 4 except whats in the F# sus4 chord contains all the hippest notes you can play over a G Major 7 th chord / tonality
G Major arpeggio starting on the 7 th scale degree = F# G B D F# G B D F# G
F # sus4 arpeggio ( eliminating the 3 rd scale degree ) starting on the 7 th scale degree = E F# B C# E F# A
With the F#sus4 , what you have is a form of a pentatonic scale once you add the A note .
All the notes in that scale are excellent because they introduce the upper harmonic content of the tonality itself when played over G
example F# = Major 7 th of G . A = 9 th of G , B = 3rd of G , C# = the +4 of G , E = the 6 or 13 th of G , F# = the Major 7 th of G , rinse and repeat ...
The Logic behind the B Minor is also considered a nice jumping off point in G since the B minor chord is so closely related to G Major . In Jazz when people play Standards they often will substitute a Minor chord a Major third above a Major 7 th chord ...The B Minor triad contains the third , the 5 th and the Major 7 th of a G Major 7 th chord
When playing a B Minor 7th chord over a G Major 7 th chord, the A which is the flatted 7 th of B Minor turns out to be the 9 th of a G Major 7 th chord ...all arel very choice notes to play over a G Major chord
The advantage of the F# sus 4 while in G is it introduces the C # ..This G major now becomes a Lydian type of sound and and tonality the +4 C# is a very expressive note choice over G Major and it it is much preferable to using the fourth scale degree in G which = C ..
IMHO C# and D sounds way better than ever playing a C note over a G Major Chord ...
Also the F # sus 4 make a nice 5 chord tension cadence when played just before a B minor in G ...
I'm still having my coffee so my explanation could have been better written Oh well you get what you get
Kenny
Yikes, its Jazz and here is me going for a progressive folk vibe. Anyway thanks for the explanation.
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kennywtelejazz
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Music theory is only music theory after all  hhhmmm, or something along those lines Jazz ? did I listen to what people were telling me ? NO People tried to warn me Even Joe Pass I took a bite out the Jazz Apple from the tree in the forbidden Garden and got my arse thrown out of Rock Star Paradise for good .... Anyway , I should have listened to this fella he lead by example and stuck to 3 Chord Rock and Blues tunes ....  everybody knows who he is .... Kenny
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After seeing that pic, The Forum Monkeys decided to add female back up singers to restore balance in The Universe.  Kenny
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Beepster
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You may laugh but "H, R, N, K" are the note names for my quadrotonic scale which I totally invented and am in the process of developing an entirely new style of music around.
As we all know... if you play the notes "in between the notes" of the diatonic modes you produce the pentatonic modes.
In "HRNK" theory we randomly remove a single tone from said reversed diatonics (aka: the pentatonic modes) and go apenoodles freeform style until precious bodily fluids are released (whether by the performer or the listener).
IT'S THE NEW MUSICAL SENSATION*!!!
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I love me some Lydian flavor and often find myself using that #11 sound when by rights I should be using a regular major scale. But even more than Lydian, I love the overtone scale which is the same as the Lydian but with a b7. Played on its own in sequence it's nothing that special, but the arpeggios you get out of it are beautiful. I often use the dom#11 chord as the IV chord in a blues. It also works great as a bVI chord, leading to the V.
Sus2, sus4 and sus7 chords I sprinkle liberally everywhere. Even when they're out of key, they sound great. I also love diatonic stacked fourths - once you learn the stacked fourth chord scale that's instant jazz chord soloing right there.
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Re: F#sus4
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2017/08/03 16:23:49
That those are the Forum Monkeys "BACKUP SINGERS" is a deception. All that makeup doesn't fool me!
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craigb
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I'm so glad Kenny explained things. The suspense was killing me.
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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craigb
I'm so glad Kenny explained things. The suspense was killing me.
Craig , I see what you did there  Kenny
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Fsus4 - E6\9 = ? Can anyone explain ? Missed maths in school .
post edited by Pragi - 2017/08/05 10:47:20
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