Fuego

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Fuego

 This is something I've been working on over the last week or so. I tried to capture the essence of a Latino based dance band. I once played trumpet and I  dig  pop horns. I combined the horns with electric guitar in some places. Most of the horn lines are played from my Roland keyboard or Motif. I added a few horn loops here and there and combined the parts to sound like they all came from the same source.
 
 I played the bass and guitar parts. The bass was played with my real LTD bass. It took some doing to try and get something close to what I had envisioned with respect to the bass. I played around a lot with my gain staging and I think I got it pretty close. The horns seem to be notched similar to the guitar in my EQ settings. I might need to try and make more of a separation between them where they play together. The original was almost twice as long and I shortened it up significantly. It went to around 5 minutes in the original. This mix has been a  challenge compared to some others I have done in the past.Mainly in trying to make a combination of elements that fit together and work well in this context.
 
 Any ideas or suggestions welcome. I'm pretty sure there are likely other songs called Fuego. I liked the title so hopefully this won't get confused with anything else.
 
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    notnat
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    Re: Fuego 2013/06/25 10:43:48 (permalink)
    This is very cool... love the arrangement... brass samples are excellent...
    The mix could use some tweeking, but I like this a lot... Well done...
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    Re: Fuego 2013/06/25 19:47:19 (permalink)
    This is difficult to listen to without moving a little. Some of the horn samples weren't doing it for me, but in other places they sounded pretty good.
     
    I may pull the verb a bit, not sure if it's applied uniformly or if some parts are treated more heavily.
    It's cool that you played the bass, this place needs more bass players :-)
     
    The guitar does need to sit better, since there are no vocals, I would bring it down the pipe and spread the horns. And since you played that bass? I would like to hear it a little clearer? Maybe HPF the horns and guitars a bit more?

    Not sure what tools you have to enhance the bass, there are a lot of good ones out there.
    Good job overall, looking forward to the remix.

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    Re: Fuego 2013/06/25 21:24:07 (permalink)
    Wow - what a huge sound - this is really great - felt like dancing the entire song. This is excellent Star.

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    Re: Fuego 2013/06/26 03:34:57 (permalink)
    Hey, Tim,
     
    This song is both different and very cool at the same time!
     
    It sounds like a wild, modern blend of Latin dance music and Jazz/Rock fusion with a lot of really interesting elements jumping in and out throughout the mix!
     
    Good stuff and lots of fun, really nice work!
    Bob
     
    post edited by Bob Oister - 2013/06/26 03:38:09
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    Re: Fuego 2013/06/26 03:35:03 (permalink)
    Oops, Double Post! 
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    post edited by Bob Oister - 2013/06/26 03:38:41
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    Re: Fuego 2013/06/26 11:41:31 (permalink)
    COOL this sound like something they played in the Jim Carrie movie called THE MASK . Different but it shares the same energy , very nice I enjoyed the whole tune !
     
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    Re: Fuego 2013/06/26 12:15:39 (permalink)
    Love this and I really do not like dance music but this is so different its cool

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    Re: Fuego 2013/06/26 17:46:50 (permalink)
    This has some very cool moments.  The horns sound a little thin and the distortion guitar thing could be toned down maybe.  But, a hot number for sure.
     
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    Re: Fuego 2013/07/18 15:24:36 (permalink)
    Caught this on page 3 trying to catch up after vacation and like got WOWED!! This is awesome and has a lot of great instrumentation going on with some nice effects happening throughout. All I can say is WOW!! Awesome vibe going on here for sure. Nice mix, but bring the guitars up front, as there are no vocals in this and the bass especially needs to be cleaned up and brought forward and maybe even panned out a bit more.
     
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    Re: Fuego 2013/07/18 22:39:41 (permalink)
    Loved the hard hitting horns.
    I got overwhelmed at the addition of the guitars (and I'm a guitarist). 
    Some of the synthy sample bits didn't fit the other more natural sounds for me.
    Great stuff tho


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    The Band19
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    Re: Fuego 2013/07/19 00:15:38 (permalink)
    I thought the Fugue was supposed to be in Dm?

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    Re: Fuego 2013/07/19 09:02:30 (permalink)
    very impressive recording - tons of work in it thats for sure!! nice 1. since I live in south Florida it very much could be blasting from any one of my favorite cafe con leche joints or of course all of Miami - I like the brazenness of horns - im wondering the mix seems a tad too bright/ could use a little more warmth in mids ?? pull down a hair those highs like above 10k / you won't lose the presence if compression params are applied with limiter etc --

    but my ears may also be shot from mixing all week too ;0 it just seemed a little bright/thin and since it's such a great song/recording if u do plan to remix it's just one of a lot of opinions to help you get perfect mix u want :)

    Great stuff. Impressed by your musicianship as well ! - Daren :)
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    Re: Fuego 2013/07/19 09:32:38 (permalink)
    Great horn lines.  This moves me in let's get crazy and dance way.  I like the guitar part buy not the sound of it.  Maybe it is too mid range hollow sounding but the part is really nice.  I would have the guitar solo half as long to get back to the horns.
     
    Fun to listen to.
     
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    Re: Fuego 2013/07/19 11:48:37 (permalink)
    Very punchy - great energy in this piece.  I love the brass stabs and rhythms.  Great arrangement. Really nice stuff.  I like when electric guitar is weaved into other genres like this.  You did a great job.  Some things seems almost too compressed at times - like there is signal overload causing distortion, but that aggressive sound is maybe what you are going for.  Nice job!
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    Re: Fuego 2013/07/19 14:48:17 (permalink)
    Large airy sound. some of the comments above are valid I think.
     
    Thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Fuego 2013/07/19 17:01:20 (permalink)
    Wow!! Way too much reverb on this track! But what a great tune! Really like this. The use of the horns is cool and the guitar sounds O2-huge! Really cool!

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    Re: Fuego 2013/07/24 08:08:10 (permalink)
     
    Excellent production Tim.
     
    I love the bass in this, it really drives the whole song along nicely.
     
    I now have this uncontrollable urge to dance

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    Re: Fuego 2013/07/24 14:44:01 (permalink)
     Sorry I haven't been around these parts for some time. I have had a few unexpected house guests and this has pretty much blown my recording for a little while. I really appreciate all of the listens here and the time spent in commenting on this.
    Notnat- Thanks. I agree...needs a little tweaking.
     
    TheBand19- As always, thanks for listening. I think your ear picked out the loops from the synth horns. Can't hide anything from you :) I played the bass and even used Bass rider. My bass mix seems to be my biggest challenge. I think it has come a little way but not all the way. I will work on it some more.
     
    CLEAN- Thanks for listening man!
     
    Bob- As always I appreciate your listening and comments. I think you let me off the hook lightly here on my mix. You have some wonderful material bro keep it coming!
     
    Daren- Thanks for listening from sunny Fla. I have been digging your music lately! One of the things I struggled with on this mix was trying to shine up and pan 16 bit horn samples and blend them with the synth horns. I think I still have a little ways to go yet and I'll certainly take your suggestions into this mix.
     
    Rimshot- Thanks for the honesty here. Opinions are appreciated.
     
    Guitartrek- Thanks for listening. I wanted aggressive but not overload. I played with the levels on this. You know how some mixes are just overbearing? That's how this was even after lowering levels at early stages. I had a tough time getting things to gel properly. I knew it peaked a few times minimally. Are you getting extended peaks at your end?
     
     Wookie- Thanks for giving this a listen!
     
     Project M- I'll give the reverb another look. Thanks for the listen!
     
    Steve-  Thanks for listening. Please don't stop cranking out those  guitar songs. Great work there man.

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    Re: Fuego 2013/07/25 00:08:29 (permalink)
    I use a couple of different things to help the bass in the mix, however I do not claim to be an authority on mixing and look up to many others here on this subject. 
     
    A couple of things I use,
     
    Izotope Alloy has some nice bass presets, I like their vintage bass preset.
     
    I also really like Voxengo's LF Max Punch
     
    http://www.voxengo.com/product/lfmaxpunch/
     
    And Ozone on the mains with the MB Compressor. All good stuff, I would love to be better at it too. 
    post edited by The Band19 - 2013/07/27 00:07:48

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    Re: Fuego 2013/07/26 10:15:58 (permalink)
    Star, this is very impressive.  The arrangement is superb and caliente!  The mix could go several different ways, but this is an excellent starting point.  I look forward to hearing this again.

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    Re: Fuego 2013/07/27 13:02:59 (permalink)
    I really enjoy the exciting vibe this song has.
     
    How about some Clave?


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    Re: Fuego 2013/07/27 13:26:18 (permalink)
    :) My day begins happy now. Great job, Great tune!

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    Re: Fuego 2013/08/08 14:25:28 (permalink)
    Mike- Thanks for listening
     
    Sixfinger- Thanks!
     
     I listened to all the critique and decided to act on it. I had received a comment on my soundcloud that the guitar coming in didn't sit well in the mix and that the mix was ok until then.After listening to the track I had to agree with the person.
     
     I cut out a lot of the electric guitar...left the electric part to about half what it had been and added acoustic guitar parts here and there to give the tune a more latin feel. I also remixed most of the tracks in terms of eq and reverb. I added a very slight delay to the horns to give it a hall like feel.I made some minor rearrangements to the horn parts and added a few more horns in places. The reverb is going to a send and I adjusted the sends in each track leaving bass out completely.I changed the reverb setting as well.
     
      I changed the EQ in the master to allow for more presence made the mix pretty hot yet didn't peak that I could tell.
     
     I tried a lot of different things with the bass. It appears that the bass tone itself is kind of difficult to sculpt for all mixes on all systems. I am still not completely happy with the bass but I don't think I can get it much closer without re recording the entire track. I took out some of the high end energy in the bass track because there were some artifacts in it and this removed them. The bass really woofs in my car but it lacks some mid energy on some systems. The track still seems to retain the boom boom of a dance track.
     
    https://soundcloud.com/starise/fuego
     
     I'm at work so it's tough to listen to others tracks. I will listen to all the tracks I can  this evening and comment. Thanks for your comments here.

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