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Fun Drum Replacer Tips & Tricks
Well I've only been playing with the thing for a few minutes, but have already found a really interesting application...I figure I won't be alone, so it would useful to consolidate the Drum Replacer-related tips in one place. Here's one...
Drum Part Creation Instead of Replacement
I took a simple eighth-note tambourine pattern with an accent on the beat. Set one threshold to catch only the accents, and triggered the kick. Set the other threshold to catch the 8th notes and triggered a tom. It gave a cool Bo Diddly kind of tom-tom beat. So then I added snare on 2 and 4, and pedal hi-hat on the offbeats to complete the part.
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Re: Fun Drum Replacer Tips & Tricks
2015/05/29 14:17:01
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Okay, here's another one, more twisted this time... Hard Rock Hum Drum The TR-808's "hum drum" sound is something you get by tweaking the internal trimpots for the maximum decay time short of self-oscillation. I'm sure you've all heard it when waiting at the light and the car next to you was almost having its doors unhinged from the kick, or if you've spent any time at clubs. So...take a sample of a decaying sine wave, and trigger it off an acoustic kick in a hard rock pattern. Now you have a sick hum drum acoustic kick. I played this for a drummer friend and he just about fell off his chair 
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Re: Fun Drum Replacer Tips & Tricks
2015/05/29 14:23:17
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Cool! will be testing hits tomorrow
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Re: Fun Drum Replacer Tips & Tricks
2015/05/29 14:32:36
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Thanks Craig, very cool stuff indeed!!!
Nice to see tips like these coming out......
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Re: Fun Drum Replacer Tips & Tricks
2015/05/29 14:56:21
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Here's another one...
The Drum "DJ Crossfader"
The Wet/Dry slider at the top is very cool for crossfading between the original clip and the replaced sounds. Unfortunately, it's not automatable...however, it did show me the merits of copying the drum track you want to replace so it's separate from the replaced track, and you can do this with the standard automation.
It's really a very interesting effect to morph between two different sets of sounds with the same part. It would not be possible to pull this off convincingly without the zero-latency aspect of Drum Replacer.
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Re: Fun Drum Replacer Tips & Tricks
2015/05/29 18:10:56
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Make your own SFZ file with a multisampled instrument and place it in the Drum Replacer content library. Load a dynamic drum set so you can choose different peaks and frequencies. Load the multisampled SFZ in the three Drum replacer modules. Set the first one to replace some drum content, pan it full left, and set the MIDI note appropriately. Set the second on to replace some other drum content and pan it center and set another MIDI note for a chord. Do the same for the third. Now you will get a panned chord with a unique instrument in sync with the drum track. I think the MIDI note in DR should be extended to full range, not just the small subset it now has. By the way, no need to use this on drum tracks only. You might be able to slice up other instrument parts and clone in new sounds.
post edited by arachnaut - 2015/05/29 18:23:54
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Re: Fun Drum Replacer Tips & Tricks
2015/05/29 20:02:54
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When you hold the mouse on one of the filters, you will hear a metronome beat at the filter frequency instead of the track sound. That helps set the pitch detection.
There's only MIDI notes 35-50 available for the MIDI conversion, though.
It would be a great future update to have a lowpass and highpass filter setting on each lane.
Also a low and high dynamic range marker instead of just a peak detector.
Then a full-range MIDI note replacement instead of the small drum subset.
Finally, ability to add more lanes not just the three.
That will allow a surgical dissection of the sound and a quite general replacement function.
Spectral slicing and reforming.
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Re: Fun Drum Replacer Tips & Tricks
2015/05/29 20:46:34
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Anderton
I played this for a drummer friend and he just about fell off his chair
See, this is the problem I have with drummers all the time.
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Re: Fun Drum Replacer Tips & Tricks
2015/05/29 21:54:52
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Yeah... They're always falling off chairs!
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Re: Fun Drum Replacer Tips & Tricks
2016/12/13 12:15:22
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arachnaut
Make your own SFZ file with a multisampled instrument and place it in the Drum Replacer content library.
Load a dynamic drum set so you can choose different peaks and frequencies.
Load the multisampled SFZ in the three Drum replacer modules.
Set the first one to replace some drum content, pan it full left, and set the MIDI note appropriately.
Set the second on to replace some other drum content and pan it center and set another MIDI note for a chord.
Do the same for the third.
Now you will get a panned chord with a unique instrument in sync with the drum track.
I think the MIDI note in DR should be extended to full range, not just the small subset it now has.
By the way, no need to use this on drum tracks only. You might be able to slice up other instrument parts and clone in new sounds.
This is VERY interesting to me - how does one can make an SFZ file with a multisampled instrument? And once placed in the Drum Replacer content library, what capabilities would you have within the Drum Replacer? For example, if that multisampled instrument contained a particular sample, for lack of a better work, of a snare hit, could that be loaded into the drum replacer as a Drum Replacement sound/element, i.e., to replace a recorded snare with a sample from the converted-then-imported sounds of the multisampled instrument? Or am I in another universe here? Thanks, arachnaut, I know you're one of the tech/software gurus here, so forgive my ignorance. I just have so many multisample instruments I don't use - but would, if I could use their samples/sounds in SPLAT's Drum Replacer.
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Re: Fun Drum Replacer Tips & Tricks
2016/12/13 12:52:21
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So many cool things in drum replacer. Some are not as well known.
1- Adding notes: Sometimes you set up the Filter and interval but don't want to tweak it just to catch a few notes.
Simply left click on the lower half of the Drum replacer timeline to add in a note.
2- Remove stray notes: As above, sometimes the filter or interval are set, but there's that one defunct note that's like 5 feet away from the real drum hit. Right click on the stem to remove it. Then add in a note using procedure/Step 1.
3- Add Velocity's: On custom notes you put in yourself (see Step 1) You can adjust these velocity's by clicking on the stem and holding( on custom note). A number will appear with the Velocity. Dragging up or down changes the value of the notes velocity.
4- Using a delayed hit: One can set up replacement hits to be a little early or a little late.
This works perfect on Snare hits. Hover your mouse over the Audio photo and click and hold, Drag right or left.
I find when Stacking drum, giving the second or third snare a little bit of delayed time thickens it up VS. leaving it in perfect time with the previous snare hit.
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Re: Fun Drum Replacer Tips & Tricks
2016/12/13 13:06:57
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Treefight
This is VERY interesting to me - how does one can make an SFZ file with a multisampled instrument?
sfz files are text files that may be created and maintained using a text editor such as notepad or dedicated editors such as sfZed or SFZ Designer. In addition to the examples included with Drum Replacer, Session Drummer includes quite a few sfz files and samples that also work in Drum Replacer. There is also a tool written by Bill Jackson called CwDrSfzMaker available from the SONAR Resources and Utilities page to create sfz files from 3rd party drum synths. Treefight
And once placed in the Drum Replacer content library, what capabilities would you have within the Drum Replacer?
For example, if that multisampled instrument contained a particular sample, for lack of a better work, of a snare hit, could that be loaded into the drum replacer as a Drum Replacement sound/element, i.e., to replace a recorded snare with a sample from the converted-then-imported sounds of the multisampled instrument?
yes
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Re: Fun Drum Replacer Tips & Tricks
2016/12/13 14:24:47
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Y'all need a drummer buddy, Craig. They're really not such bad people. 
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Re: Fun Drum Replacer Tips & Tricks
2016/12/13 14:29:33
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Treefight
This is VERY interesting to me - how does one can make an SFZ file with a multisampled instrument?
I learned just about everything I know from one of Craig's articles in SOS http://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/customising-sonars-sfz-files There are also a few tools out there that can help in the process to speed up the monotonous steps. Its very fun. I've made some incredible drum kits. Sampled from my own kit.
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