Funk Blues (is this even a category?) "Loafer"

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2013/10/26 13:35:35 (permalink)

Funk Blues (is this even a category?) "Loafer"

Neat guitar in middle, still have problems with mix, what sounds even in recording room may be unbalanced on a portable MP3 player, etc.
Remember this is a horribly short fingered guy who can't read music. Appreciate all comments, thanks CaptG
 

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    Comments on mix 2013/10/26 15:02:28 (permalink)
     
     Does guitar come thru too strong at middle and end?
     
     
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    Re: Comments on mix 2013/10/26 18:58:44 (permalink)
    This is a nice mellow tune and sounds good, but I would bring the drums up in the mix a bit, as you can hardly hear them. I would also work on that ending, maybe a very long reverb tale. Other than that everything guitar wise sounds pretty good. I like the guitar sounds you have going on in this, very sweet sounding, yet a bit gritty. Nice tune.
     
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    Re: Comments on mix 2013/10/26 23:44:36 (permalink)
    Sounds Pink Floyd-ish (I like Pink Floyd). Nice, mellow, relaxing. I agree with theguitarplayer about bringing up the drums a bit. I, too, had to turn it up. 
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    Re: Comments on mix 2013/10/27 00:32:34 (permalink)
    Thanks, to turn the drums up in volume, does the rest of the sound (guitar, midi syths, etc) come down in volume? I make small adjustments to emphasize the intended main instrument, but may need to make more emphasis on the back up sections. I guess I may not have the ear for a proper mix. But I love trying to produce enjoyable sounds. I truly respect all inputs and suggestions, especially from the level of musicians on this site. I almost feel part of the crowd. Thanks again CaptG

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    Re: Comments on mix 2013/10/27 01:03:49 (permalink)
    I'm a beginner myself, so this is just a shot in the dark. Maybe somebody else can disagree or agree. I listened to it again. It sounds like the whole mix is too low to me. I'd pull the whole thing up until it's averaging about -3db. 
     
    Usually, after I record everything, and get all the separate tracks tweaked the way I want them to sound, starting in the console view, I turn everything down to zero. Then I bring up the drums to the desired level, adding bass, guitars, etc, pulling each up to where they sound good to my ear in the mix. 
     
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    Re: Comments on mix 2013/10/27 10:32:32 (permalink)
    I have yet to use the console, I use the vol slider on each track. But will try it today. I have a graphic equalizer between the computer and amp which really adds to the sound, but my brother has said I need to bypass it when finalizing a song. Another problem I have is most of my songs have similar vol levels, but a couple will be lower enough to need turning up the vol for playback. Instead of relying on ear, I guess I should rely on vol meter? Dam thing moves too fast for me. Will try to solve these problems using console. If I spent as much time practicing guitar as I do trying to figure out all these programs, well anyway I don't think practice is going to help my guitar playing, bad ADD.
    Also after the comment from "theguitarplayer", it made me realize most of the time I don't even consider a songs ending. Most I pick a spot and just fade out the vol, some sound like the power went out, or the whole band had a heart attack. Will have to work on this. Thanks for the comments.

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    Re: Comments on mix 2013/10/27 18:02:31 (permalink)
    Yea, too low.  But nice song, some great guitar work.
     
    Unless you are going to put a graphic EQ between everybody's source of the song and their speakers, bypass it for music work.  Record a little hotter - 12 dB average (not peak).  When you get toward the end of mixing the song should be higher - even up to - 6 dB.  It is a long slog figuring this stuff out, but it ain't rocket science.  Just practise.
     
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    Re: Comments on mix 2013/10/28 10:03:24 (permalink)
    Very nice song with great guitar tones throughout. I agree about the overall volume, but that's an easy fix when you've decided it's done.

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    Re: Comments on mix 2013/10/28 20:23:11 (permalink)
    Nice spacy vibe you've got there, but it could definitely use more drums, as others have said.  Good work!

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    Re: Comments on mix 2013/10/30 09:37:07 (permalink)
    Using the great advice tried re-mixing on just vol levels. I believe my biggest mistake was going thru my Graphic Equalizer for recording work, though I had it set so no gain in vol came thru, just reshape of the freq. on the equalizer preset I use for recording, the comment from "AT" made me check and sure enough the equalizer was on a different preset that did boost the vol somewhat. I will now do all recording work with it bypassed. Also for this piece I used the READ-WRITE function for setting vol levels on several tracks to emphasize, lower, or even hide something that may sound bad (I hate to admit). This latest mix I just let it fly with out any of that so I may have to go back and re-apply the R-W to disguise the fumbly fingers.
    Again would appreciate comments on this mix, are vol levels getting there? CaptG

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    Re: Comments on mix 2013/10/30 13:26:20 (permalink)
    What a difference! Seriously, I think this sounds 10x better. Nice work. A good performance made better by a better mix. 
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    Re: Comments on mix 2013/10/30 18:14:48 (permalink)
    Sounds good to me, but still needs more drums IMO.

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    Re: Comments on mix 2013/10/31 13:33:11 (permalink)
    Great sounding song.  I really like the guitar work throughout.  I agree with the above comments about the drums but that should be a relatively easy fix.
    Very nice work!!
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    Re: Comments on mix 2013/10/31 18:10:58 (permalink)
    A standard procedure is to route the drums through a bus (drum tracks>drum bus>master).  That way one (bus) fader controls the overall volume of your mix of the drums.  Same thing applies to vocals, guitars or anything that can use a one fader vol. adjustment.
     
    That being said the vol of the drums gives this a more vintage sound, where the drums are more in the background that modern methods.  Loverly guitar work.
     
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    Re: Comments on mix 2013/11/19 14:42:11 (permalink)
    Thanks all for the encouraging comments. I can't say I feel I deserve any praise, but it makes me feel like I might just one day make it as a guitar player (for now, thank God for retakes).
    Been out of touch lately. On the remix of this song I had the drum track maxed out and still was soft. I don't know yet how to route thru a bus as mentioned above, but that's my lesson for the day. I have started by-passing the EQ during recording and mixing which has been one key advice in getting better level control. The EQ can highlight certain sounds that don't sound the same level when played without the EQ on other devices, but man it sounds awesome listening to any song when setup just right. I just hope I don't have to redo the drum track. Thanks all 

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    Re: Comments on mix 2013/11/19 18:43:33 (permalink)
    Nice guitar playing, smooth sound. The different guitar parts fits really well together. I don't feel the drums need to be much higher in this style, but maybe more dynamic and variated drum play. Still, the guitar parts are great and in focus in this song so thats most important.

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    Re: Comments on mix 2013/11/19 19:50:16 (permalink)
    very nice subtle guitar work and choice of sounds
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    Re: Funk Blues (is this even a category?) "Loafer" 2013/12/02 22:35:20 (permalink)
    WOW!!! Love this tune! Great job! Is that a les Paul you're playing? :)
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    Re: Funk Blues (is this even a category?) "Loafer" 2013/12/09 22:32:42 (permalink)
    Really nice guitar work throughout the song
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    Re: Funk Blues (is this even a category?) "Loafer" 2013/12/17 12:08:25 (permalink)
    Yes a very old worn out les paul studio plus, rebuilt with schaller roller bridge, custom vibrato tailpiece (unknown vendor), seymour duncan pu's, 18:1 grover locking tuners and replaced electrical parts. Don't know what "studio plus" means, but is all black and with the new gold hardware it looks fairly nice, just the body needs refinishing. The vibrato was from stewart-mcdonald and is no longer avail. but to my surprise works great and holds tune great. A lot of the good sound comes from the X3 live pedal. Use to have a early 60's Stratocaster that I had rebuilt in a well known guitar shop in muscle shoals, alabama but due to my short fat fingers was hard not to muffle strings when playing. Same problem with les paul, but with a slightly wider neck and string width max'ed out so I can manage a few chords now. Could have spent all this money on accordion lessons, but its hard to visualized playing "bridge of sighs" on one.
    Thanks again for the compliments, coming from true musicians makes me want to practice that much more
    Looks like I might have to try some surfer music??

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    Re: Funk Blues (is this even a category?) "Loafer" 2013/12/17 15:36:10 (permalink)
    Hey there. Nice piece. Love the ambiance it all creates.  Good guitar work throughout. Some P.Floyd vibeishness going on.  
     
    The drum kit is the ONLY thing that has a 'staleness' to it.  Needs to be in a 'room' or have a hair more reverb I feel.  Anyone else think the same?  Hard to tell if it's a side-stick or snare at times.  Kick and bass are okay to me though - that's the hardest part to get right.  
     
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    Re: Funk Blues (is this even a category?) "Loafer" 2013/12/17 18:47:10 (permalink)
    Thanks, I agree, I think I used a analog pattern right off the keyboard. I have not found a drum synth with styles I like yet. Don't care for any of the session drummer I have, and have no rhythm to use the fingers to create my own on the keyboard (I think its called Spastic). I need to find some mild funky styles or loops.
    Going now to add a little reverb to that drum track. Now up to Rev3 (See first post)
     
     
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    Re: Funk Blues (is this even a category?) "Loafer" 2013/12/18 07:49:34 (permalink)
    Very nice mellow track Cap, tasty tones and phrasing too. Gave me a Snowy White vibe. Volume is quite low, but hey, I have a volume knob .

     
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    Re: Funk Blues (is this even a category?) "Loafer" 2013/12/18 15:14:38 (permalink)
    Thanks, I have been struggling trying to understand mixing and volume control. Would I be correct in thinking there is some "standard or reference point" for a volume output of music in general, so a radio dj for instance would not be constantly adjusting the volume. And for a temporary fix for "Loafer", could I put the mp3 on a track in a new Sonar project, increase the volume for that track and then save again? wouldn't that give it an increase in volume? also increase other problems? I quit using a EQ for recording, mixing and playback, and that has helped the most. But this project was mostly created while I was still using the EQ. Think I need a Sonar Project Doctor, ugh
    I may get some help on this drum track and future projects from my son, he has a Roland TD-20K digital drum set in the attic I'm trying to get him to get back into and lay down some tracks.

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    Re: Funk Blues (is this even a category?) "Loafer" 2013/12/18 20:52:29 (permalink)
    Cap, I enjoyed your song very much.  Your guitar reminded me of some of the Robert Plant stuff from the late 80's.  I really like this style of music.  Turn the drums up a bit, and take the time to learn some mastering skills so you won't have any problems getting your overall volume up to par.  You are, oh, so close.  

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    Re: Funk Blues (is this even a category?) "Loafer" 2013/12/20 19:08:13 (permalink)
    Coming from you makes me feel like I'm getting there eventually. I've listened to your music trying to follow the mixing, great stuff. The old man can sing too! My voice never left puberty so I don't even try. I just tried putting more volume on this thing and is more noticeable this time.
     
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    Re: Funk Blues (is this even a category?) "Loafer" 2014/01/05 20:09:21 (permalink)
    I was just in the mood for this. Very nice. I think a good start and finish to a song is vital, it starts and ends a journey, rather than get to the end and have it feel like an unfinished trip and your stuck 1000 miles from home and no money to buy a plane ticket. Great mix work on the guitars. You are already a great guitarist. I would be happy to have such guitar work in my songs.

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    Re: Funk Blues (is this even a category?) "Loafer" 2014/01/17 12:19:04 (permalink)
    I like your analogy and I think of it as a sensory journey also. Sometimes it takes just a perfect simple guitar lead as in Dave Gilmore's "Raise my Rent" (a version is on my SoundCloud) But I'm a long way from mastering it myself, but getting close. And I especially  like those that have just the right touch of special instruments, sound effects. Since I can't sing I want to get more into complex pieces with more of that "sensory journey" in mind.
    Thanks for your compliment, I often look for music pieces to jam/create simple leads use to have something to experiment with and for practice. Would you consider sending me a sample song, I can try several different things, send it back and go from there.

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    Re: Funk Blues (is this even a category?) "Loafer" 2014/01/18 06:49:56 (permalink)
    Sounded great to me. The balance was fine. The lead guitar was definitely not too loud at all.

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