Future of P5, what about Cake's future?

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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/20 11:43:19 (permalink)

anyone know VirSyn Tera?
Tera is a 6 headed super synth that includes a sequencer

The sequencer is a disaster as far as usability imho
It has its own 'unique' way of setting up sequences and setting in note durations.

So, for better or worse, whenever I hear about a synth with fully integrated full-featured sequencer that's the model I think of.



 


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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/20 13:13:14 (permalink)
I'd actually be all about revamping the product line, actually.
I've always thought they have too many products... the "normal" DAW line alone is just goofy:
- Sonar Producer
- Sonar Studio
- Sonar Home
- Sonar Home XL
- Sonar Home LE
- Guitar Tracks
- Music Creator

The "loopy" DAW line even has 3:
- Project5
- Project5 LE
- Kinetic

Streamlining this would actually be the first thing I did if I owned the company. (which, of course, I don't)

These are exactly the types of things that big companies with big investments do with small (by comparison) companies.
"Justfiy your choices" types of questions in front of boards and alongside market studies and TONS of meetings.

Perhaps we'll end up with something like:
Just Sonar, the big... Sonar, the small... and perhaps LE to get people in the door.
Just Project5, the big... and perhaps an LE version to get people in the door.
And an audio editor/cd architect kind of thing.
And the instruments/effects.

All the bases covered across many price points, and far cheaper to manage/develop/support.
Would that be a bad thing, you think?

It's conjecture, no matter what though... right?
And it will continue to be conjecture for a while, I think. Those meetings and board meetings and market studies take a pretty long time to actually reach conclusions. People will leave, and perhaps others will be "asked" to leave, and new people will need trained, and the new products or redesigns will have to be proposed, designed, accepted, and coded. Advertising schemes will need created.

I have NO doubt that they are busy. I remember those times of going through a very similar chain of events, and though the Cake/Roland deal might be different, I honestly doubt it.

But who am I?
Nobody, really. I might be completely wrong... that's cool.

In the mean time, let's just say that Project5 IS actually the uber-synth they spoke of.
What would you lot like to see changed or kept should this be the case?

Or, has that been discussed to death?

- zevo
post edited by inmazevo - 2008/05/20 13:33:58
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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/20 13:14:41 (permalink)
Ah yes, got it:
"The missing Three will give you the Five who come from the home of the Thirteenth."


Which brings us back to the subject at hand. We all want to know when the v3 will be unboxed.

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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/20 13:15:59 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: mumpcake
Ah yes, got it:
"The missing Three will give you the Five who come from the home of the Thirteenth."

Which brings us back to the subject at hand. We all want to know when the v3 will be unboxed.


Nice.
Indeed. Bring it back out and it will show us the way to salvation!!

- zevo
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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/20 14:38:09 (permalink)
To me, some consolidation makes sense. Take the best of P5, Kinetic (you think development tumbleweeds are rolling over here, what about Kinetic?), + the uber synth and roll it into something that would appeal to people who use Reason, FL, Live, and perhaps energy xt.


As far as Kinetic goes, I don't think people have high expectations of that. It's supposed to be a simple, pattern oriented tool. There aren't many more features you can add there without losing the charm of what it is.

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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/20 15:50:51 (permalink)

Hmmmmm, I guess everyone has given up on the second promised update of P5?

What's funny is that I thought it was a bad idea to offer it when they did. It wasn't real smart and now they look bad.



ORIGINAL: mumpcake

Which brings us back to the subject at hand. We all want to know when the v3 will be unboxed.

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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/20 16:13:50 (permalink)
hmm... it was just a post on a blog, then a post on a forum.

I don't see anything official in that...
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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/20 16:17:06 (permalink)
I haven't given up...

I counted two:
2.5
2.5.1



But yes, I don't think there will be another update at this point (like a 2.6 or anything).
I think that code line has moved in a different direction.

- zevo
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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/20 17:06:29 (permalink)
If they released another 2.x version, then that would be a sure sign of them throwing the towel in as P5 needs a hefty upgrade to keep up with it's rivals, much less overtake them.

BTW RinR, give it a rest with the whole free update thing, it's tedious...
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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/20 23:16:11 (permalink)
xylyx,

But factual! It's nice that you feel that promise should be discounted. That mentality is a sales marketing dream come true.

It is good to see yet another P5 forum member finally coming to the realization of what I have been stating all along. P5 is well behind the competition and needs a major boost to catch up. It is missing several basic features that we are all well aware of at this point.

There is not question that even the faithful are feeling a serious shaking of their foundational commitment of Cakewalk to P5 and even Sonar. We have all seen this before and should have a pretty good idea where all this is heading.

I can sit here smugly, smile and say I am prepared for any eventuality. P5v3 is most likely not one of those, it's best hope is to be absorbed into Sonar.

Sorry, sure that's not what you wanted to hear, I apologize if that is deeply distressing to anyone.




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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/21 07:15:49 (permalink)
for a product, and company your not very happy with,...you sure spend a lot of time over here on the P5 boards.

I just don't understand the point of even bothering with it. why not just move on...and get something that you would be happy with? P5 obviously isn't for you.

besides,..with all the time you spend putting down cakewalk, and project 5,..you could have used that time to create some music for my Project5 challenge....

  
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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/21 13:48:24 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: RockinRoll

It is good to see yet another P5 forum member finally coming to the realization of what I have been stating all along. P5 is well behind the competition and needs a major boost to catch up. It is missing several basic features that we are all well aware of at this point.


There is no 'finally coming to the realisation of what you've been stating all along'...I was aware of P5's shortcomings long before you arrived here and so were many others; a forum search will show that to be the case, so it would be rather egotistical of you to try and claim credit for this.

Most people just get on with and work around any shortcomings (all the hosts have them in some area) and those that don't/can't work around those of P5 move on to something else. Personally, I already have changed to another host, although I will still use P5 sometimes as I still like the app and will still come to these forums to listen to the music and help where I am able to.
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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/21 16:30:35 (permalink)

Obvious ego issues aside, it seems that we are pretty much the same and hang out to see if there is a possibility of this turning around.
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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/21 16:54:37 (permalink)
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post edited by rabeach - 2008/05/21 17:41:09
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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/21 19:16:44 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: RockinRoll


Obvious ego issues aside, it seems that we are pretty much the same and hang out to see if there is a possibility of this turning around.


Not really. As I stated above, I also check out the music posted here and try to contribute solutions when someone is having issues...I haven't seen you post any feedback on anyone's tracks, nor have I seen you give any help to anyone with any issues with P5 (recommending a Mac or another host does not count, by the way).

Ultimately, why worry about P5's future? You've already stated that Logic on a Mac is proving super creative for you, so what does it matter anyway?
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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/22 09:31:54 (permalink)
Although I don't really use P5 anymore, I have invested time and money into it. I truly believe that it has great potential and I am interested in it's future.

In my opinion, Cakewalk has totally dropped the ball on P5. Not only did they promise another free update by the end of last year, but the also promised a "renewed" interest in P5's development.

I still haven't seen either.

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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/22 10:25:42 (permalink)
I haven't needed either.

But man could I use that MPD 32. It's climbing up my wishlist fast. The transport and 16 controls locked on a Guru track becomes an MPC inside a host.
Question: The yellow buttons under each fader labeled S# - what do they do? Can they transmit messages?

I have authentic analog drum machine samples.
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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/22 15:28:03 (permalink)
Just doesn't make any frakin sense.

It's over when the old man says it's over.

This old man is a Cylone
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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/22 19:22:09 (permalink)
At least we think he's a Cylon. I'm not sold until he shows up somewhere else with both eyes.

I have authentic analog drum machine samples.
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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/24 19:55:52 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: kb420

Although I don't really use P5 anymore, I have invested time and money into it. I truly believe that it has great potential and I am interested in it's future.

In my opinion, Cakewalk has totally dropped the ball on P5. Not only did they promise another free update by the end of last year, but the also promised a "renewed" interest in P5's development.

I still haven't seen either.



Big +1 on all of that.

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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/25 02:40:50 (permalink)

Nick,

Your strong wit speaks for you! I'll be it took you quite a while to come up with that.

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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/25 21:03:23 (permalink)
RockinRoll

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RE: Future of P5, what about Cake's future? 2008/05/26 12:33:15 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: DayDrumFour

I haven't needed either.

But man could I use that MPD 32. It's climbing up my wishlist fast. The transport and 16 controls locked on a Guru track becomes an MPC inside a host.
Question: The yellow buttons under each fader labeled S# - what do they do? Can they transmit messages?



Yes.

"Now, excuse me while I jump into my Jaguar; I need to board my private jet for the usual weekend trip to my mansion on the Big Island. I think Trixie, Crystal, and Heather are already there...must not keep them waiting in the hot tub!"
 
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