guitartrek
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GPO - Works pretty good, but..
I spending a lot of time orchestrating with GPO. It doesn't sound terrible, but I've come accross a handful of tuning issues with just some of the samples within the stringed instruments (2nd violins and double bass so far). They let you tune an instrument, but that won't help because most of the samples in the instrument are in tune.
Either I'm doing something wrong, or I just need to upgrade because I got what I paid for.
I don't want to spend more than $400 or $500 - and I don't want a dongle. Would the orchestral package in Kontakt be a step up from GPO and come with a lot of articulations and keymapping?
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Re:GPO - Works pretty good, but..
2010/07/11 10:22:25
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take it your using POCKET orchestra and not personal right? maybe it's to do with your sample rate? just a thought.. are you using 44.1 / 16 or 24 bit? .. if your using producer, you saw the nice upgrade price they do on it as an elite pack? you'll find it's FAR cheaper than $400.. and perhaps maybe cakewalk can do you a decent upgrade price IF your not a producer owner/user as for the dongle , it doesn't have one it uses another method of validation. I use a combination of strings , inc. those in kontakt AND gpo. gpo I prefer to use for individual strings, kontakt I prefer to use for groups.
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Beagle
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Re:GPO - Works pretty good, but..
2010/07/11 11:18:19
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Paul and Geno - actually he has Garritan Personal Orchestra. he has another thread where he was talking about buying GPO for $150.
Geno - I wanted to make sure you knew also because you called it Garritan Pocket Orchestra in the songs forum but it's not "Pocket" Orchestra - that's something different. that's what comes with Sonar and SHS for use in DimLE and it's a much "watered down" version of the full GPO which you have.
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Re:GPO - Works pretty good, but..
2010/07/11 11:36:42
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Every sample library I own has at least a few tuning issues. I'm surprised that so many vendors let those mistakes through and don't offer fixes for them. But then I don't own any high-end libraries, either.
Of the packages I own, the VSL samples that came bundled with Kontakt have the fewest issues. And of course you'll also be opening up a whole new world of sampling possibilities by having Kontakt, since most of the better libraries are formatted for Kontakt.
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guitartrek
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Re:GPO - Works pretty good, but..
2010/07/11 11:37:40
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Beagle - you are right it is Garritan Personal Orchestra that I have. The double bass is in tune except for E4, F4 and F#4 (as identified on the PRV). These notes are flat - about 20 cents. I'm thinking that it is one sample they are using for these 3 notes. The notes below and above are perfectly in tune. ARIA lets me tune the entire Double bass, but not the individual notes. Is there a way to fix the individual samples? Edit - I switched this part to Cello which is in tune.
post edited by guitartrek - 2010/07/11 11:50:45
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guitartrek
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Re:GPO - Works pretty good, but..
2010/07/11 11:44:39
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bitflipper
Every sample library I own has at least a few tuning issues. I'm surprised that so many vendors let those mistakes through and don't offer fixes for them. But then I don't own any high-end libraries, either.
Of the packages I own, the VSL samples that came bundled with Kontakt have the fewest issues. And of course you'll also be opening up a whole new world of sampling possibilities by having Kontakt, since most of the better libraries are formatted for Kontakt.
Thanks Bit. I'm surprised also. It would be a pretty easy quality control step to make sure a sample is in tune. Almost a no-brainer. Kontakt seems really intriguing. But $500 is still a serious investment. On the other hand I don't want to invest so much time into tweaking orchestrations for GPO if I'm going to buy another better package. Orchestrations are incredibly time consuming.
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Re:GPO - Works pretty good, but..
2010/07/11 18:06:33
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The 2nd violins being out of tune is a known issue. I believe they are 12 cents sharp. I usually just tune them down a bit.
I don't remember the basses being out of tune. Sometimes certain samples will be out a bit or have pops in the loops but they don't occur on all systems. The basses could be one of these issues as the tuning has been gone over quite a bit in this library.
Make sure you report these issues with the problem reporting tools to the developers. That's the only way they get fixed. Tom Hopkins, the programmer of GPO, is usually right on top of getting any issues fixed as long as he can duplicate them.
Tom doesn't like using pitch correction software as it makes the samples sound sterile. So sometimes an attack may be out of tune but the sustain part of the sample is in tune. He usually has to find a happy medium between the two. Personally I don't mind samples being out a little bit here and there as there is more life to my pieces. Most real orchestras have tuning issues here and there.
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guitartrek
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Re:GPO - Works pretty good, but..
2010/07/11 20:49:46
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haydn12 - thanks for the insight.
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Re:GPO - Works pretty good, but..
2010/07/11 22:15:16
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guitartrek
Beagle - you are right it is Garritan Personal Orchestra that I have. The double bass is in tune except for E4, F4 and F#4 (as identified on the PRV). These notes are flat - about 20 cents. I'm thinking that it is one sample they are using for these 3 notes. The notes below and above are perfectly in tune. ARIA lets me tune the entire Double bass, but not the individual notes. Is there a way to fix the individual samples?
Edit - I switched this part to Cello which is in tune.
Do you have Melodyne?
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guitartrek
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Re:GPO - Works pretty good, but..
2010/07/11 22:22:52
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No I don't have Melodyne, but it looks pretty cool. Thanks to some of the posts I'm doing some work-a-rounds which are helping.
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