bayoubill
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GTP 4
Looks like GTP is not dead. Now maybe this forum will come back to life. I have sonar 8 studio now but I miss GTP. It was my intro to sequencers.
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SteveStrummerUK
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It looks like an absolutely superb bundle doesn't it Bill. I reckon the HS7/MC5 GUI will work perfectly in the GT environment. I really think the addition of Cakewalk Studio Instruments is a really big plus - I'm just wondering if GT4 is fully MIDI capable though, or whether only the SI pack is somehow 'hard wired' into the program. If you see this Kate, could you let us know the extent of the MIDI capabilities please, and while I'm asking this, does it have the excellent audio engine HS7 and MC5(?) are equipped with? All in all, it looks like Cakewalk have really put some quality time and effort into this - my first impressions are that it's looking like a great product. Very impressive .... nice one Cake  
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scook
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It has VST and VSTi support. Here is the snippet from the press release
Add more sounds and instruments with third party VST plug-ins.
64 tracks for virtual instruments. This should change the completion of this forum a lot.
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bayoubill
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No problem transferring files! Looks great! $60 for the upgrade. Midi ? not sure
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scook
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Midi ? not sure
Check out the system requirements for an optional MIDI interface.
post edited by scook - 2009/06/17 18:14:14
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bayoubill
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Since I have an Edirol FA-66 I wouldn't need the USB version.
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as i said over on the coffee house, this is gonna take a lot of custom from shs7...looks like a world-beating entry-level product
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scook
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Probably not a big deal since they are priced the same. SHS7 and GTP4 look like essentially the same product with a few plugin changes.
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bayoubill
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I think it's great! For someone new to all this, like guitar players, its perfect.
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mgh
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wow never realised GT was that expensive!
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ascottdesign
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It just slid quietly under the door, didn't it. and when we all thought GTP was dead
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Other than it requiring a more powerful computer, I'm not seeing any differences from GTP3. I don't care about midi. That's why I use GTP3.
Anyone else see something that I've missed? Not seeing a reason to upgrade from the info I've seen so far.
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KainThornn
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I bet after Windows Vista SP2 it starts acting weird
http://www.myspace.com/kainthornn I smell really good! The "Baconator"- Q6600 Quad Core CPU@2.4Ghz 2Gb PC2-6400 DDRAM 400Gb WD HDD IDT Audio Nvidia GeForce 8600GT 256MbDDRAM **NOW** Featuring Windows 7 beta dual boot!
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Strryder
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It seems they cut the number of realtime FX per project from 32 down to 24, that sucks, I always dug the audio only aspect of Guitar Tracks Pro, I really wish they wouldn't dumb it down, it's become actually somewhat less "Pro" with this version. I also don't see an FX bin on the master out.
post edited by Strryder - 2009/06/19 04:59:01
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pistolpete
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It's just a re-labeled version of an obsolete Sonar incarnation.
*yawn*
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kine321
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This is basically nothing more than MC5, which also has a 32 audio track limit while GTP-4 has a 64 Instrument trk limit. Other than the bundled software package, the only real difference is the guitar based Notation and tablature window. The specs for GTP-4, doesn't specifically state VSTI plug-in use but states vst plug-ins for the FX description.
Unless you care about the included plug-ins, you may as well buy MC5 for less money because the engines really aren't any different. It only records 32 audio tracks like MC5. You're basically just paying for the extra plug-ins like Studio instruments, etc...
I really don't see the guitar aspect about this release! GTP's engine was very different from the Sonar/MC engine. Now it's just the new SHS/MC engine.
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pistolpete
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This was a great marketing plan by the CW folks. It was a brilliant strategy. Instead of fixing the many faults of GT3, which could require real programming (*GASP*!)  It was cheaper and easier to design a whole new packaging box instead and throw in a product they all ready have. Truely genius.
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Strryder
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If I'm not mistaken MC can only do 2x2 I/O, where GTPro will allow recording on up to all 32 tracks at once and let you bring out your tracks to use a mixing console if you want.
IMO GTPro should NOT be considered by Cakewalk to be a beginner's software, thats what Music Creator is for, they just seem to see all of their other programs as selling tools for Sonar producer/studio, their built in limitations would just make it tedious and annoying to try to do a real 24 to 32 track session, you'd be forced at some point before running out of tracks to bounce tracks in order to free up your FX limits.
I have purchased these from Cakewalk..
1) Guitar Tracks (old 8 track version, my first recording software)
2) Guitar Tracks Pro 2
3) Sonar 2.2XL
4) 2 copies of Home Studio 2004
5) Guitar Tracks Pro 3
I have had hope for GTPro 4 to be something really good and usable, but this is just crap, it's actually a downgrade in functionality to move "up" to version 4.
Too bad.
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kine321
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You have to be careful of how the product descriptions are worded. It doesn't specifically state you can actually record 32 simultaneous audio tracks. I take it that they're simply stating you can record 32 audio tracks and play all 32 tracks back. Why would a guitar player [recording at home] have a need to record 32 simultaneous audio tracks, let alone have an audio interface that even has that many inputs available?
That would be some very expensive piece of gear. Don't forget... GT4, is only $99 and only handles 64 instrument tracks and is listed under Home recording.
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Good Morning Everyone,
Just wanted to check in and let you know that we are cooking up a GTP3 and GTP4 comparison chart for all those interested. I will post it later today!
Food for thought:
The audio engine follows the same optimizations as seen is SHS7/MC5: 32-bit audio engine with 24-bit/96 kHz max. audio quality.
There are now 64 simultaneous MIDI tracks available. I think you will be pleased with the added MIDI functionalities & edit tools.
GTPro 4 includes over 2GB of new samples and loops PLUS create your own backing band with Cakewalk's Studio Instruments
Workflow enhancements including:
- Video & External device support
- Drap & Drop EQ Settings
- New project views for mixing & editing with click and drag ease: video thumbnail view, staff view, piano roll view, inline piano roll view
- Change audio driver w/o restart
- Arm/unarm tracks in realtime
- Exclusive solo mode
- Free Edit tools
- Live Bounce
- much more
PLUS for those needing a new way to plug in their instruments, we've added our portable, USB audio interface, which features a special 1/4†jack with Hi-Z option for recording and 24-bit/96-kHZ Stereo I/O for playback. This option is available for only $50 more.
Please look for the comparison chart for more information!
Best,
Kate
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SteveStrummerUK
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The audio engine follows the same optimizations as seen is SHS7/MC5: 32-bit audio engine with 24-bit/96 kHz max. audio quality.
There are now 64 simultaneous MIDI tracks available. I think you will be pleased with the added MIDI functionalities & edit tools.
Thanks Kate, that's just what I wanted to know 
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ohgrant
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Wow this is huge news and I think it was a wise decision for Cakewalk not to let the Guitar Tracks line stop at 3. I don't think I will get it because I'm using HS7 now and no longer need software amps, but for a guitarist just looking to get into recording, I think the version that comes with the interface is about the best deal going now.
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SteveStrummerUK
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I think the version that comes with the interface is about the best deal going now.
I agree 100% with you there mate. LOL - Grant, you mentioning the interface made me think of when I got GT2 - Cakewalk included an 'interface' in the box way back then .... A ¼†→ ⅛†mono adapter to allow you to plug a guitar lead straight into your PC's soundcard! Similar to:  I still have it
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ohgrant
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Yea Steve, I got one of those with my Guitar Tracks 2.0, no interface though. I learned about interfaces and recording cards from you guys here. I recently found a boxed version of an old Cakewalk program I never heard of, Cakewalk Guitar Studio it may even be older than my GT2.0, system requirements are win 95/98 Pentium 120 or higher, 12 MB RAM. It's pretty hard to configure, but there are many similarities like fretboard view. It only has 8 tracks of audio and 256 MIDI tracks. I haven't messed with it much yet but looks pretty cool.
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Doc_Hollingsworth
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Of particular note is that it will not run in a 64bit environment. But that's fine. I can see using this as a "Sonar Lite" version for recording gigs. I might just pony up for this. Ok I didn't think about running as 32bit app under Vista 64. My bad. But it would have been nice to run "native" as a 64 bit app under Vista 64. I mean really, with all that horsepower available at the processor level it would be nice to tap into. 64 bit drivers and plug-ins aside.
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scook
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Of particular note is that it will not run in a 64bit environment. But that's fine. I can see using this as a "Sonar Lite" version for recording gigs. I might just pony up for this.
I am pretty sure it will run on a 64 bit OS, the SONAR 32 bit version does. Yhe 32 bit versions cannot access any more memory than they would in a 32 OS. It is fairly common for those running a 64 bit version of VISTA to have both versions of SONAR installed because many plugins do not work in the 64 bit version.
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bayoubill
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Thanks Kate! well if i didn't have sonar i'd get it. Great starter for guitar players. WITH AN INTERFACE!
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pistolpete
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The interface is an extra add-on to the base product. That would be hilarious if it ran off of the realtek AC97 chipset! I don't think it's supported to run on the new Windows 7, I only see XP and Vista. As for the 64 simultaneous tracks, I wonder how many it can really play back at once before it brings a PC it it's knees. I would assume it would be in between 8 and 16 tops.
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