GURU/P5v2

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In Project5 I have 24 one-note patterns that I place wherever I need that Guru pattern in my sequence.

Day Drum Four & others,

How are you achieving this.....? I have been able to cr8 scenes and trigger the scenes from the piano roll but not the 24 GURU pattern sequences from the pattern keys.

have a good one
3Eo

Mannnnnnn,

I thought I tried that but now that I think about it, I think I may have gotten the scene playback Note #'s and the playback keys Note #'s confused.
Much oblige xylyx.

have a good one
3Eo

Much thanks.

have a good one
3Eo

rxguru,

did you create the scenes first? If not, then do a little click/save action in the scenes view.

have a good one
3Eo

I tried to draw a long note on C1 in the pattern grid (after creating a new pattern),

make sure it's the Project5 grid not the Guru grid right?

...and then sending the pattern to a track, but that still did not trigger the Guru pattern

opening Guru as DXi should show the note names in the P5 grid so you can see what notes trigger patterns, sounds etc. Remember, Cakewalk calls it C1, and Guru calls it C -1. You should see the names themselves in P5's piano roll instead of the notes. Make the long note next to where it says "Pattern 1" etc.

Should I ignore host tempo and transport, or not

I don't. I have it follow host transport and tempo.
Cakewalk needs to delete older posts, probably to save memory. I can't remember how I said it all, but I'm using the Guru version right out of the box, with no updates (really stable) so there may be things I don't know about. They have a major update coming, just no clear timetable. Check with Fxpansion's Guru forum. I have stuff posted over there too.

Also after the first run thru, Guru starts to play back the current pattern that is loaded (in GURU) as soon as I push PLAY on my P5 sequencer transport, whether or not there is a pattern on the track in P5. It even plays from measure 1 of my P5 song, even though I did not insert the newly formed pattern/clip until measure 3. (no matter which mode I use). I know I am doing something wrong. Will bump my head 1 more hour then off to bed. Thanks anyway.

I do remember the demo being very limited.
Whenever I need silence or a pause, I create a pattern that has silence in it. For me, it's not always a completely empty pattern (some lead-in taps right at the end etc.) but in P5, you can name the patterns anything you want. So it helps to see how the song will playback with all the patterns lined up. If one pattern is missing, Guru will keep playing the previous one.

Ok,

so we can trigger patterns but not scenes. This means that I could run 8 engines w/in 1 pattern. This bad boy (GURU) is officialy dangerous. sorry for blabbing out loud.

have a good one
3Eo

Day Drum Four, I found the problem/glitch?? As long as I am working with short Guru patterns(patterns that only use 1 page in Guru or less, or in other words 32 steps in Guru or less), the pattern triggering works just like you described. I used "shot mode" so that the Guru patterns would only be triggered by midi notes, and will start from the beginning of the Guru pattern regardless of host sequencer play position. I can place patterns freely in P5, and the fire as expected. BUT.......when I use Guru patterns longer that 32 steps, or longer than 1 page,... problems arise. maybe I do not understand the modes. Will you or 3EO, or any one perform this little test for me and tell me what is going on. Here is exactly what I did:

1. I opened P5, and inserted Guru as a DXI instr on track 1

2. I opened the Guru interface and on pattern 1, I changed the pages from 1 page to 4 pages(basically a 128 step pattern, or 32 x 4, or 8 measures however you want to look at it). To save time, just place only one kick, snare or cymbal noise on the very first downbeat of page 1, This is our "pattern" in Guru.(To keep from having to create a whole 4 page pattern). Then I picked "shot" mode for the pattern.

3.In the P5 drum grid editor I created a "new" pattern and drew a long note on C1 (where the word "pattern 1" is listed on the piano roll)

4.I inserted this new pattern on p5 track #1, at measure 1. We will not move this pattern at all during this test.


5. Now, I inserted a second copy of the same pattern at measure 2. They will overlap.

When I play the song back from the beginning the first copy of the pattern plays, and so does the second copy. They both fire as planned.

6. Now, slide the second copy of the pattern from measure 2 down to measure 3 and play the song back from the beginning. The second copy does not fire!! At least not for me....

I keep sliding the second copy even further, and it does not fire again until I have slid it all the way to measure 10.

Do you get the same results, or is it just me,my demo, or my computer, or my misunderstanding of the "shot mode"??

If no one has time to do this I understand, but I am perplexed. I want to be able to place the patterns of any length, anywhere in the P5 arrange view, no matter how close or how far from the previous pattern on the same track, because that seems like the logical way to arrange a song I guess. Any suggestions anyone???

My only question to DayDrumFour is, are you still not happy with Guru??? One of your posts seems like you are a little upset because there is no new update or version available yet? Me being a newbie though, I think it will hold me for a while. Dream machine would = Guru beat making methods with Battery 3 sounds....Whoa!! Guru and P5 do compliment each other quite well. I will buy it soon. Peace..........

No, I'm very happy with Guru as it is. It's exactly what I want in a drum machine. Complements P5 in ways that enhance both programs. My first post to them was a big thank you message. Fxpansion's update schedule is a bit vague though.

I guess Cakewalk has set a new standard with software updates.

Any answer on my Reverse button quesiton? I'm serious about that, how was that overlooked???

A lot of people want that. I think Angus said that was on the list. Velocity has a reverse button and it should be fun using it in 2.5 with input quantize.

ORIGINAL: delineator

Hey Jamester, what can battery 3 do that Guru cannot. I love Guru man I can work so fast in that program. Can you give some details??

Well, they're really coming from two different places, so they each have features the other doesn't.

I'd say the big differences are that Guru gives you the built-in pattern editor, the eight polyrhythmic layers and the built-in loop slicer. Battery gives you a much bigger and more diverse library, a little deeper wav editing/effecting, and the ability to vastly exceed a 4x4 pad layout. (Also a bonus for me is that it doesn't blink at me all the time, but that's a personal thing. One could argue that gets evened out by the fact that Battery's UI is puke green!)

Honestly I was all about Guru when it came out, and still am interested in its development. At the time I was primarily using Sonar, which I think sucks for making acid-jazz/hip-hop type beatz. So the built-in pattern editor was huge to me. But try as I might, I couldn't warm up to it. Mostly a bunch of little things that add up, like the blinking and the pre-labeled pads. I'm anxious to see what the next version brings, whenever that'll be. But now that I'm using Reaper which has awesome midi/beat making ability, the built-in editor isn't a big deal anymore. So Battery with the PadKontrol in Reaper basically gives me everything Guru can offer, save for the polyrhythmic layering. But for me, I'll take Battery's kick ass twelve gigabyte library instead...it's a fair trade-off I think.

ORIGINAL: DayDrumFour

One could argue that gets evened out by the fact that Battery's UI is puke green!

Guru's interface looks suspiciously like Project5v2. I know I've said that before, but man,
makes you wonder......

Remember this:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=654746&mpage=1&key=

December of 2005. I should have bought Guru then. Wasted a year thinking about it and demo'ing junk.

I'm guilty of this one as well. Kept not wanting to shell out the 250 on it. Now if I could only search my hard drive to see what I wasted all those other 250's on.

have a good one
3Eo

Now if I could only search my hard drive to see what I wasted all those other 250's on.

Not to mention the time you invested.

I just use the p-Seq in Project5 and run the drum grid thru Guru Vsti. Works wonders for me.

How the heck?...... Never mind. That sounds awesome though. By the time I figure it out, the 2.5 update will be here.