Gain/Metering in Sonar

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2017/10/21 10:07:55 (permalink)

Gain/Metering in Sonar

Hi, I'm a little confused about metering in Sonar.
Check out following steps:
1. Put from AudioTracks/Backing Tracks the 126 Heavy Shuffle Track into a new empty Audio Project
2. Start play: In my Sonar PL(latest update) the Peak in the track lane is +2.7 db, in Master Lane is +6.8 db. All Faders are at 0, Gain also at 0.
3. When i open that Heavy Shuffle Track in Soundforge, the peak is 0 and RMS -10.3 db.
I don't know why it is in Sonar such high level.
 
Could someone explain me, please?

Harry
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    Zargg
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    Re: Gain/Metering in Sonar 2017/10/21 18:31:46 (permalink)
    Hi. My guess is that there are one or more fx in the signal path, either on the track itself, via a send, or on the Master bus. This might be part of the startup/basic Template you are using.
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    Re: Gain/Metering in Sonar 2017/10/22 09:09:47 (permalink)
    So i checked it, no FX, only one Track, one Master Bus without FX. I tried 16 bit, 24 bit and 32 bit, i tried to use another interface with a different driver. Tried other files from Backing Tracks directory. Nothing! All the same.
    The fu..... Meter shows always more that 0 db up to +2.7 db in the red area.
     
    Please could someone check this on own machine?
     

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    Re: Gain/Metering in Sonar 2017/10/22 10:31:25 (permalink)
    Results here are consistent and repeatable.
     
    With a single track, output routed to master buss and the same .wav loaded, it peaks at +2.7dB with an RMS of about -9dB.
    These readings are exactly the same on the Track, Bus & Main Out meters.
     
    Try it on a blank project, inserting just one track, one bus and route the OUTPUT of the track to the bu. Bus output to Main Outs (interface)

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    Re: Gain/Metering in Sonar 2017/10/22 14:11:44 (permalink)
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    Try it on a blank project, inserting just one track, one bus and route the OUTPUT of the track to the bu. Bus output to Main Outs (interface)

    I do this and all peaks on Track, Bus and Main Out are at max. +2.7 db, you're right.
     
    But why is the peak level in sonar with that files more than 0 db ???
    The same file in wavelab or soundforge brings max. 0 db !
    I'm confused.
     

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    Re: Gain/Metering in Sonar 2017/10/22 19:47:22 (permalink)
    Are you 100% sure there's nothing in the chain with Soundforge or Wavelab?
     
    These are the sort of results you'd expect with a limiter on the output bus

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    Re: Gain/Metering in Sonar 2017/10/23 06:21:40 (permalink)
    Bristol_Jonesey
    Are you 100% sure there's nothing in the chain with Soundforge or Wavelab?

    Yes, I'm sure. You can check it with any wav-file from Backing Tracks directory. Sonar's peak view is higher that soundforge etc. I read in another tread, sonar shows about 3db more because of AES?
    The simple solution is to turn the gain to -3db.

    But i can't understand it, why in sonar the file clips (SPAN show clippings) and when i load it in soundforge or wavelab there's no clipping and peak at 0 db.

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