Gated Reverb Tips?

Trying to get that Phil Collins/80s era gated reverb sound.  I read somewhere recently that it was coming back in vogue, so I figured I would try to recreate it.
 
I am using Addictive Drums 2.  I have the Fairfax kit and it is on Neutral.  
 
I have a send on my snare channel to a bus that has a Sonitus Gate and that is routed to a UAudio AMS RMX 16 on a long hall on another bus. I know I could have possibly bypassed the two bus method, but I am trying to hone the sound..  
 
On the gate, I have a fast attack, a 340ms hold (trying by ear), a 200 ms release...I have varied these trying to get that gated sound.
 
On the reverb - no pre-delay.  Moderate to long decay time.  Again - a hall program. 
 
I am not getting that sound.  I have even tried a gate AFTER the reverb to cut the tail.  
 
Any thoughts?  Help appreciated.  

hmm.  would have never guessed the pre-delay!  I will try that.  Been messing with the tail decay instead.  

Try Valhalla Room Gated Verb preset and tweak it :)

space_cowboy
 I have even tried a gate AFTER the reverb to cut the tail.  
 

Putting the gate before the reverb does nothing (at least as far as a gated reverb sound is concerned). Its called a gated reverb sound because you're gating the reverb tail. Therefore putting the gate on the effected signal AFTER the reverb is the only way to get it. 
 
As mentioned, pre-delay can be useful but you also need to mess with the release time of the gate and the settings of the reverb itself. Keep trying with the gate placed post (after) the reverb. Or seek out plugins that already have gated presets.

Sidenote: As noisy and antiquated as it is, my brother recently added an old Alesis MIDIverb II to his guitar rig more or less solely for the gated reverb presets in it. If you really want that 80's gated reverb sound, those boxes really deliver and can be picked up for next to nothing on craigslist or ebay. 

Check out the tip "A Better Gated Reverb" on page 94 of The Big Book of SONAR Tips.

TheMaartian
Here's a dup of something I posted in another thread:
 
from a March 2005 Sound On Sound article:

To create that effect authentically, send the drums to a reverb with a medium room preset selected. Now route the output of that reverb through a stereo noise gate (or patch a stereo noise gate into the reverb's return channels) and set an instant attack and pretty much instant release. The gate's hold time can be adjusted to taste, but the threshold should be adjusted carefully to avoid any 'fluttering' during the final part of the reverb tail. For more accurate triggering of the noise gate, take a feed from the drums into the gate's side-chain so that the percussive attack from the drums is used to trigger it, rather than the onset of the reverb alone.

Yep, that's the best way to get a tight gate sound...
 
Dan