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Getting Some High Quality Gear This Year
Hi all: I have put this off for too long. I plan to get me some high quality gear for my home based recording studio this year. I did the research, so, now, it's time to get the gear. I started getting the gear last month in Feb.. I got me a Avalon Vt-737 SP used from Ebay. This month I bought new Electro Harmonix gold 6992 tubes for it. It did make a noticeable positive difference. It's a clean sounding pre-amp with a very good EQ, though the compressor is kinda weak, it does do a satisfactory job of limiting vocals from clipping if the vocalist uses a little discipline when yielding the vocal performance. The EQ on this unit is extremely impressive! There is a wide range of tones that can be obtained from utilizing it, including very airy vocals. That's one of the things I've been wanting to be able to achieve. However, I'm still wondering, in myself, if this unit is worth the $1700 I paid to get it. Surely, time will tell. Today, UPS delivered my AKG C414 XLII. My impression is that this mic is of most excellent quality! For years, I have been uninspired to finish compositions of songs I started because, when I record the vocals, I don't hear what I hear when I sing live without recording. Last month I bought gold connector mogami cables. I bought the Avalon pre-amp, and today, I got this mic. When I connected this gear and started to sing, I was so impressed with the sound quality. I started to thank God,, plus was crying tears. I finally got an efficient result! This microphone, as well as the Avalon pre-amp, is truly transparent. It appears, you get from it (the AKG), exactly, what you put in. Even, the nuances of your voice are captured, accurately and with feeling, as far as 8 or 9 inches away from the mic. And I've only tested with the cardioid polar pattern. Plus this mic captures the lows of the voice. I haven't changed any setting, yet. There are 4 pad positions (0, 6, 12, and 18db). And three different low cut filters (0, 40, 70, and 160). I've only tried 0 for both. Haven't even read the manual, yet. I bought this mic brand new from eBay as a bundle with the sE Electronics Reflection Filter Pro. I feel it was a bargain deal, as I got them both for $1049. The audio interface I'm using is the MOTU UltraLite-mk3. Coming from the Avalon into input 3/4 on the UltraLite. The sound quality is hyperly impressive to me, even with this audio interface. The next piece of gear I get, which will take two months after this month, March, will be the Lynx Aurora 8 USB. As, I get the gear in, I will post here to let any forum members that are interested know what's going on, on my end. Thank you all for the help. And, cya around.
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Excellent. Interesting choices. The right tools do help us hear. The other night I just was fooling w/ the Warm Audio 76 FET comp I have for review . I DI'ed the guitarist through it and twiddled some knobs and found that sound - the one I've heard on a million songs. Brought a smile to my face. Good hardware will do that. Enjoy, @
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mike_mccue Well Done!!! Thanks Mike. AT Excellent. Interesting choices. Thank you, AT. AT The other night I just was fooling w/ the Warm Audio 76 FET comp I have for review . I DI'ed the guitarist through it and twiddled some knobs and found that sound - the one I've heard on a million songs. Brought a smile to my face.
LOL Cool, AT. If you're talking about the WA76, I do want to get me one of those. They started hitting the stores last month, and I had a couple of stores notify me when they became available in stock. I've heard you mention before that you you write reviews. Who do you write them for? You got a website where I could read them?
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AT writes reviews for the best recording magazine published. :-) Tape Op.
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I'm smiling. OK Mike. Thanks for the info. mike_mccue AT writes reviews for the best recording magazine published. :-) Tape Op.
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Hi Tom and Alan, I just want to make a point of explaining that my :-) was meant to convey my enthusiasm for the magazine Tape OP and Alan's contributions both here and at the magazine. It occurs to me that it might appear that I was smiling for some other reason. I'm smiling because this seems like a good news thread. best, mike
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I'm thinking along these same lines, want to set up one or more sterling paths to capture. I know where I'm headed w mics, but not as clear w pres/channel strips. Have a TLM 102 now, SM7b and C414 next up. On paper, the LA 610 looks good, time tested pre and comp, but reviews point up downsides I am sensitive to, lack of headroom, and they say this isn't the best 'first preamp'. I have an ISA2, that I have no complaints with, but a tube mic and tube pre would open new doors. What's a good 'first tube pre' and why? Price range tween LA610 and 737. Over time I'll reach for multiple options, but where's a good place to start?
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Jay Tee 4303 What's a good 'first tube pre' and why? Price range tween LA610 and 737. Over time I'll reach for multiple options, but where's a good place to start?
That's a very good question Jay. Let me say a few things? After reading the SOS article (which I didn't see before I made my purchase of the Avalon Vt-737 SP) found here, http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct12/articles/preamps.htm, I think very expensive preamps really don't offer that much of an advantage over great budget preamps such as the ones listed below. And if you read the article, I think you will understand why I post the preamps, I post below, even though you have mentioned you read negative reviews about a Universal Audio Preamp, and that you are looking for a tube preamp: Non Tube Preamps: The Golden Age Project (GAP) Pre 73 (Non Tube Pre) http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/golden-age-project-pre-73-preamp-mkii Warm Audio WA12 Mic Preamp (Non Tube Pre) ( http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/warm-audio-warm-audio-wa12-microphone-preamp Avalon M5 (Non Tube Preamp): http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/M5/ Tube and Solid State Preamps: Universal Audio Solo 610 (Tube Preamp): http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Solo610/ Universal Audio Twin-Finity (Tube and Solid State preAmp): http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/710/ Channel Strip Preamps ART Pro MPA II (Tube Preamp): http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ProMPA2 I hear it's kinda noisy. ART Voice Channel (Tube Preamp) http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/VoiceChannel GAP Pre 73 Deluxe (Non Tube Pre): http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Golden-Age-Project-PRE-73-DLX-Deluxe-Microphone-Preamp-/321106717718?pt=US_Preamps_Channel_Strips&hash=item4ac373ac16 Warm Audio Tone Beast (Non Tube Pre): http://www.zenproaudio.com/warm-audio-tb12-tonebeast.asp Universal Audio LA-610 MK2 (Tube Preamp): http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LA610mk2/ The Avalon Vt 737 SP sounds nice, and I love that it's transparent, but it has noise. It's rated at -116db noise level on the Mic input. The Avalon M5 is much quieter, rated at -126db noise level. My conclusion is a person will do well getting one of the budget preamps because there really is no apparent huge advantage to justify the increased price of getting one of the $2000+ expensive preamps, and you can possibly save hundreds of dollars to spend on something else. Your mileage may vary, haphazardly, as the saying goes. Goodluck, though. EDIT: Forgot to mention, there are also the Black Lion Audio Preamps: Auteur Preamp: http://blacklionaudio.com/product/auteur-preamp/ B173 Preamp: http://blacklionaudio.com/product/b173-preamp/ B12A Preamp: http://blacklionaudio.com/product/b12a-pre-amp/
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The UA preamp is cool - just used a 6176 on bass last week. It works fine. In fact, there isn't that much difference between the ones listed above - or the more expensive kind. The differences are subtle. Worthwhile if you can afford it, but not necessary. Of the lower-priced preamps the Tone Beast from warm audio is will give you a lot of variety. It will go from fairly clean to as dirty as you want. If you don't want to worry about your hardware no more get an RND Portico II channel strip. You have to work to make it sound bad or overdrive it. absolutely stunning. But really, for 90% of the people 90% of the time on 90% of the systems you can't tell the difference between the best and an ic interface preamp. Maybe you can, and if it matters to you and you don't have to spend the kid's college fund go for the most you can afford. You won't regret it. But necessary? I knew Mike. Hell, I'm always kidding you and wondering if the ;-) comes through the virtual page. You've never called me a ... whatever ... so sauce for the gander. And I always enjoy your opinions on hardware, etc. Knowledge based stuff, like you actually use equipment and just not passing on rumors. Now pass the Stevie Nicks ... @
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Thanks Thomas, AT. I'll be off in my hut reading for a while if anyone needs me. And now back to our regularly scheduled thread...
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A very good mic and a very good pre will definitely make your recording experience more enjoyable. It's that moment when you get it plugged in and running and you think, "There's that sound that I've heard on my favorite records."
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Mod Bod It's that moment when you get it plugged in and running and you think, "There's that sound that I've heard on my favorite records."
Right you are, Mod Bod, right you are!
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Re: Getting Some High Quality Gear This Year
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Congratulations Thomas! Glad you're getting good results.
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Congratulations on the new gear. Hope you get everything the way you want it!
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Thank you Starise. I'm really gonna put forth a great effort to get the best quality gear I can afford, and that I know of.
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I did some research, and ended up with a plan to move forward, preserve options, and realize at least some benefit now. I picked up a UA 710, Joe Meek ThreeQ, TC Helicon Voiceworks Plus, DBX 1066, and a pair of patchbays, XLR and 1/4" TRS. I am ordering a GAP Pre 1073 today. That wil give me a selection of tube and non-tube preamps to use immediately, a transparent dynamics controller to just take the edge off peaks on the way in, and an effects processer that should double as an analog reverb unit for vocal headphone monitoring, and adigital effects processor via SPDIF for post processing. (I also stumbled over a used MOTU 2408 w PCI card for $170, that will fit nicely into a supporting PC in either the tracking or control room, an unexpected bonus!) That leaves a 1 rack unit space for future expansion in directions not yet considered, and a two unit half space that will probably end up filled with an Avalon M5 or V5, I haven't decided yet. The M5 seems to be a better pre, while the V5 offers a good pre plus DI and reamp capabilities. I'm not sure how well the rackmounts for the UA and Avalon will coexist, but they physically fit the space, and I hope mounting won't be too difficult. Thomas and others, I appreciate the time you took to point me in the right direction, it made wading thru the infinite variables MUCH easier. Thanks!
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Hi Jay Tee: Congrats on the new gear you've acquired! I like MOTU! I'm still contemplating getting two more of their audio interfaces, the HD 192 and the 896-MK3 ( I might need the 896 for its mobility and those 8 high quality preamps it has.) Decisions, decisions, decisions. I'm interested in the UA 710 and the Avalon M5, as well. I still have to get a decent non tube preamp. Another preamp has caught my attention, the Vintech X73i: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/X73i I hear it does a stunning job of capturing that Neve 1073 sound. I'm impressed with the reviews I read about the unit. Now, I have to decide which to get among these three. When you get a chance to use it, tell me what you think of the dbx compressor. The two compressors I've been looking at are the Warm Audio WA-76 ($600): http://www.warmaudio.com/wa76-discrete-compressor/ and the ART Pro VLA II http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ProVLA2 But I don't want to have too much tube sound in the signal chain. Keep us posted?
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Oh, I forgot to mention that I received the sE Electronics Reflexion Filter Pro via UPS, yesterday. It was included with the AKG C414 XL II purchase I made. It finally got here. The shipping was kind of slow, but I'm not gonna complain much because it usually sells for between $250-$300 and I got it like for free. The AKG C414 XL II sells on Sweetwater for $1099 and I got this mic and the Reflexion filter from eBay brand new for $1050. SO it's like I got the reflexion filter for free and $49 off the mic. I have an untreated room, so I welcome what ever help I can get from this reflexion filter. Cya all around. EDIT: Holy smoke! I just checked sweetwater, and they made a price drop for this mic. It is now selling for $949. That's good news, but I still did OK with my bargain eBay purchase.
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Thomas, the Warm WA76 is an 1176 compressor (and a very good one, too). WA12 is their basic preamp (and a good one, too). It lists for $450, while the WA12 Tone Beast lists for $600 (and well worth it if you can afford it instead - same base preamp but w/ switchable transformers, op amps, etc.). They all over pro-level sound. @
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AT: I meant to tell Jay Tee: When you get a chance to use it, tell me what you think of the dbx compressor. The two compressors I've been looking at are the Warm Audio WA-76 ($600): http://www.warmaudio.com/wa76-discrete-compressor/ and the ART Pro VLA II http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ProVLA2 But I don't want to have too much tube sound in the signal chain. But what I wrote was below: "When you get a chance to use it, tell me what you think of the dbx preamp. The two preamps I've been looking at are the Warm Audio WA-76 ($600): http://www.warmaudio.com/wa76-discrete-compressor/ and the ART Pro VLA II http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ProVLA2 But I don't want to have too much tube sound in the signal chain." I had compressors on my mind, but I was writing preamp. It can be seen that I posted links to the compressors, as I meant to relate a message about compressors not preamps in the paragraph with the WA-76 link and the ART compressor link. Thanks for catching that. It was an honest mistake, but I don't know how that happened. I'm not sleepy or anything. Sheesh.
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Stuff happens - fingers faster than thought. I am very impressed w/ the WA76 and every pro who has tried it has loved it - esp. for the price. Grab and hold and it puts the sound out front w/ a lovely sheen all over the signal. It is hard to describe, but on guitar I must have dialed in everything perfect because I got the kind of sound that I've only heard on CDs, or vinyl. And it matched it that tone exactly - aggressive w/o losing depth. It is not the bestest on everything (tho it can work ok for more gentle dynamic control), but when you want it on certain things (bass, guitar, snare, vox) in pop/rock context it is right up there with the big boys. It is probably opposite of the Art's optical compression, tho as with the WA76 it should perform yeoman signal control on most everything, which is something to consider. @ @
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Re: Getting Some High Quality Gear This Year
2014/04/04 15:56:04
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The UA710 is my "fall back position" mic pre. It's the one I go to when my others aren't giving me what I want or there's some unexplainable problem with my other pres that I can't figure out quickly and I have to go to something that I know will work. It might not be exciting but you're going to get signal into the box and you can tweak it later.
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Jay Tee 4303
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Re: Getting Some High Quality Gear This Year
2014/04/04 23:17:53
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Good chance there's something wrong w the Dbx 1066. It does some strange things, noise that comes and goes, limiter section gets sensitive, then not, if it sits a while, the output meter reads -3 or -6 with no signal thru it, till I power cycle it, and the gate doesn't gate. Ima ping support this week.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Getting Some High Quality Gear This Year
2014/04/05 11:54:17
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I was going to say that the Art Pro VLA is more along the lines of a LA-2A (smooth gentile dynamics control)... whereas the 1176 is more assertive/aggressive. AT beat me to it. Was cutting VO's last week (RE-320) and did a quick comparison using a GAP Pre-73, Solo 610, and the X32 Compact's onboard "Midas designed" preamps. In this scenario: - Pre-73 - Very articulate sound... aggressive upper mids
- Solo-610 - Slightly larger sounding than the Pre-73... upper mids were just a tad less aggressive than the Pre-73 (resultant sound was pretty similar)
- Midas Pre - Absolutely HUGE sounding... more flat upper mids than either the Pre-73 and Solo-610
Obviously, this comparison isn't comparing "like" preamps... but I was a little surprised that the Midas preamp sounded so large. My girl has a "radio voice"... and for this spot she needed to sound like the house-wife next door. The low mids were just too much in this context. I'm thinking the Midas preamps will be great for recording acoustic drums (just got the X32 Compact)
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Re: Getting Some High Quality Gear This Year
2014/04/05 11:59:30
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@ Thomas: Starting with good gear up front makes the whole recording/mixing process so much easier (and more enjoyable). Capturing a great sound at the source is the best thing you can do for your mix. No amount of EQ/processing is a subsitute...
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Re: Getting Some High Quality Gear This Year
2014/04/05 15:23:28
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Agree w Jim. I used to chase EQ all over the place and end up unsatisfied still, and now, using better equipment,hardly touch it, or maybe add a couple db of presence.
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Re: Getting Some High Quality Gear This Year
2014/04/15 11:36:44
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I haven't been down to this forum for a while. I've been busy doing other stuff. I even forgot to subscribe to get instant notifications for activity in this thread. So, I missed the most recent two posts. I just subscribe, though. @Mod Bod Thanks for your little review of the UA710. :) I still need a nontube preamp, and it covers both (tube and solid state.) @Jim Thanks so much for your input, Jim. It really means a lot to me. I'm still looking at getting at least one Warm Audio WA-76. And I'm considering the ART Pro VLA II. Being a stereo unit makes it attractive, to me, and I hear it's a decent quality compressor. @Jay Tee Thanks for the update. Sweetwater lists the DBX 1066 for $429.05. That aint cheap, so I can understand getting a replacement unit before your warranty ends. Here's an update with me. Looks like I'm gonna be a moth late on getting the Lynx, but I'm adamant about getting it next, as the next piece of hardware I get I'm also thinking carefully about getting the RME Fireface UFX. It's gonna be either the RME or the Lynx Aurora 8. I did buy some things this month, though. I upgraded to SONAR X3 Producer from X1 Producer, bought 24GB of memory 1333 MHz at CAS 7-7-7-24 (My mobo is now maxed out on memory,) and I bought the Cakewalk ProChannel pack, which includes the CA-2A and the Concrete Limiter. I will keep you all posted with what's going on, on my end.
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2014/04/15 11:53:07
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