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Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
I'm really hoping that the new update will fix a few hassles that I'm having with the Foxboro update. The biggest problem that I'm having is that during drum recording sessions towards the end of a track the tempo of the track literally doubles in time. I haven't punched in, haven't inadvertently added a tempo change, nothing but straight recording. If I go back and punch in at the place where the tempo doubles, it's fine. It's happening a bit too often though. Quite embarrassing when you have clients looking over your shoulder. Another bit of nonsense happened this morning when I hit record to convert a midi track to audio and got this stupid message. The only way I could get out was to ctrl alt del. 
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 07:23:44
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You hit record to convert MIDI to audio? How exactly were you doing that?
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PJH
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 08:10:39
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By simply playing a midi track and recording it to an audio track in real time.
As soon as I hit record that's what happened.
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 08:14:12
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John
You hit record to convert MIDI to audio? How exactly were you doing that?
My guess is he's using outboard gear John. Not everyone does everything ITB, lol... Dan
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 08:22:09
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Unless you are routing the MIDI to an outboard synth and recording its output you can't just record a MIDI track to an audio track. First you need something to turn the MIDI into audio. A softsynth (software synth) is what many use.
Of course if you are working with the MS synth you are using the worlds worst sounding synth. In the past this synth was only available if one used MME audio drivers. Not recommended.
Try using the TTS-1 synth in Sonar. Then all you have to do is freeze or bounce it.
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 08:24:58
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dcumpian
John
You hit record to convert MIDI to audio? How exactly were you doing that?
My guess is he's using outboard gear John. Not everyone does everything ITB, lol...
Dan
Dan I use outboard gear too. I have an XV 5080 an SC 8850 and a DR 770. Thats not what the OP said. Any rate lets see whats is going on here.
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 08:28:06
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Yep, I'm using a Roland JV2080. Sorry, should have mentioned that.
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 08:39:20
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Give me a step by step sequence of what you do to setup your audio track. What outs and ins are you using? More detail is better than less.
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 09:06:18
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Hi John,
It's something that I've done a million times. It's nothing new but I've never had this kind of error before.
My sequence is basically:
1. Solo the midi track
2. Set the inputs on my Delta 1010 for a stereo input.
3. Play the outputs of the JV2080 into the inputs of the 1010.
I've been doing this for the past 15 years. Never had a problem until now. It also seems to be an isolated case as I'm not able to reproduce it.
I'm not that concerned about the midi problem.
The problem of tempos doubling in time is one that does concern me as it's only raised it's head in the Foxboro update and it's something that I can reproduce fairly often. I'm not doing anything different. It's the way I record drums using twelve tracks and the drummer playing to a click.
When I playback the tracks, at some point in the song the tempo will just double in time for no apparent reason. When you're paying session musicians for their time it's extremely frustrating to try and troubleshoot the problem.
I'm going to wait for the next update to see if it's fixed. If not I'll have to rollback to the previous update.
I'm sure that this is connected to the "fast bounce" and the tempo problem that others have discovered.
The stupid message was just the last straw for me on a very frustrating session.
Cheers,
Peter.
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 09:16:29
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Please confirm... You've backed up. You have windows update up to date Inc most optional updates. You have your audio interface firmware and drivers up to date You've performed this: https://www.cakewalk.com/...ommended-for-UpgradersNext Sonar update within 48 hours. Leave the VST reset until after you install it or just do it a second time.
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 09:21:04
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Yes, everything is up to date.
This problem occurs without using any VSTs.
As I said, it's only happened since Foxboro.
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 09:23:59
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Still do a VST reset after next uodate. Ta.
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 09:24:18
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When you say the tempo doubles, are you saying that you see Tempo Changes written in Tempo View or does what's already recorded simply speed up?
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 09:32:38
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The tempo that's already been recorded speeds up.
The tempo indicator on the control bar stays the same.
Cheers.
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 10:09:23
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are your outputs connected to the 1010 also? you're not trying to use a different soundcard for output in sonar are you? if so, you will have mismatch between clocks and that will cause problems like you're describing.
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 10:19:55
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Consider confirming this is an issue with Foxboro (shark week edition) by rolling back to Everett (or whatever version of new SONAR was running correctly). Rollback is pretty quick if you have the installers cached.
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 10:21:09
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No, my setup hasn't changed at all. I'm using the same sound card etc.
The only change that's been made was to upgrade to Foxboro.
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 10:22:41
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scook
Consider confirming this is an issue with Foxboro (shark week edition) by rolling back to Everett. Rollback is pretty quick if you have the installers cached.
I'm first going to wait for the new update. If that doesn't work then I'll roll back. Cheers
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 10:28:14
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In Edit -> Preferences, under Audio -> Playback and Recording
Do you have 'Share Drivers With Other Programs' checked? If so, uncheck it, restart SONAR and try testing again. Your description sounds suspiciously like another application is opening the audio device at a different sample rate.
Short of that I'd reach out to support so they can get more information, driver mode setup etc and isolate the issue. We have just about every M-Audio device and tons of hardware synths we could test with as well if they had the lowdown on your configuration.
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 11:03:41
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PJH
Hi John,
It's something that I've done a million times. It's nothing new but I've never had this kind of error before.
My sequence is basically:
1. Solo the midi track
2. Set the inputs on my Delta 1010 for a stereo input.
3. Play the outputs of the JV2080 into the inputs of the 1010.
I've been doing this for the past 15 years. Never had a problem until now. It also seems to be an isolated case as I'm not able to reproduce it.
I'm not that concerned about the midi problem.
The problem of tempos doubling in time is one that does concern me as it's only raised it's head in the Foxboro update and it's something that I can reproduce fairly often. I'm not doing anything different. It's the way I record drums using twelve tracks and the drummer playing to a click.
When I playback the tracks, at some point in the song the tempo will just double in time for no apparent reason. When you're paying session musicians for their time it's extremely frustrating to try and troubleshoot the problem.
I'm going to wait for the next update to see if it's fixed. If not I'll have to rollback to the previous update.
I'm sure that this is connected to the "fast bounce" and the tempo problem that others have discovered.
The stupid message was just the last straw for me on a very frustrating session.
Cheers,
Peter.
Thank you for the complete information. You are doing things the way I would. I will do my best to figure out what is going on but for now I have no quick answer. Willy Jones is on the case and I would defer to him.
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Re: Getting a bit "hacked off" with the Foxboro update.
2015/07/30 12:08:19
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any windows updates recently?
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