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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/25 16:11:54 (permalink)
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And I wouldn't fear Gibson shutting this Forum down because we are bashing them, the chance that anyone who works there has ever visited this forum are slim to none. 
And there's a huge possiblity that Gibson doesn't even know this forum exists and it will run on forever with  some accountant paying the annual fee not knowing Gibson no longer supports Cakewalk.  
And we now have other places to go even though I won't move from here until it's dead.



I thought about this from a corporate standpoint, and I agree that if this forum was a line item in a budget at the Gibson level, everything you speculate would probably be true.  However, I assume that the owners of this forum are Cakewalk, and for the bean counters at Gibson, the only thing they probably get to de-fund is the spreadsheet line that reads 'Cakewalk Music Systems'.  One click, and it's dead, I'm afraid.


To add. The cost pf running the forum (hosting, domain name etc.) most likely will not be paid at renewal time.
 
That is for sure a time when the forum will cease to exist. Although it could be sooner than that too.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/25 16:15:22 (permalink)
I don't bash Gibson.
 
I don't own any Gibson products.
 
The only Gibson product I want would be a 1971 EB-3 Bass (Cherry by the way, for those that want to send me one for Christmas ).
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/25 16:17:18 (permalink)
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And I wouldn't fear Gibson shutting this Forum down because we are bashing them, the chance that anyone who works there has ever visited this forum are slim to none. 



I was thinking the very same...

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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/25 16:19:20 (permalink)
I've got a red SG special (the cheap one), serial number 92118563, made in the USA.

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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/25 16:20:27 (permalink)
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Of course, we all should have know that paying in advance is a crap shoot, esp. in software.  We took a chance, and hey, it didn't work out.  Sad but true.  Lifetime updates was too good to be true if you expected to be getting free updates 5 years into the future.  2-3 years was reasonable, considering users would have been ahead of simply paying by the year.  Many paid $150 for about  a year and a half, where Gibson comes out ahead.  But not that much, if you were buying yearly updates.  If you didn't regularly buy each year's "new SONAR," well, you were trying to get up one on Cake and Gibson.



I was one that expected 2, maybe 3, years of updates before they changed the product line / name again. I got 18 months. Not quite what I expected, but I still have a very usable bit of software I am licensed, in perpetuity, to use. It won't really last forever, but it will last me long enough.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/25 16:25:30 (permalink)
I just bought a new Gibson Les Paul Traditional in summer. As soon as I get my boxed version of Cubase Pro I'll be recording a lots of new songs with my beautiful honey burst. Bittersweet.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/25 16:25:52 (permalink)
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Why not make Cakewalk open source? (just a thought) And... Microsoft is not making much money on Windows so should they stop developing it? No, they were smart and moved into the cloud. I keep my Cakewalk project files in the cloud and pay Microsoft a monthly subscription for that. I like having the Microsoft apps too but I mainly pay the 10 dollars a month to Microsoft for the terabyte of cloud storage... I would much rather rent this cloud space from Cakewalk considering the collaboration possibilities between other Cakewalk users and that these files are directly related to Cakewalk. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater Gibson...




Somewhere, I think in another thread, there was mention that Cakewalk very likely licenses IP from other companies. They cannot make the source code open source if this is true, and I suspect it is. So we are left with what we have. Basically.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/25 16:27:25 (permalink)
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And I wouldn't fear Gibson shutting this Forum down because we are bashing them, the chance that anyone who works there has ever visited this forum are slim to none. 



I was thinking the very same...



You forgot about the ex-Executive Vice President of Gibson!
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/25 16:36:36 (permalink)
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I just bought a new Gibson Les Paul Traditional in summer. As soon as I get my boxed version of Cubase Pro I'll be recording a lots of new songs with my beautiful honey burst. Bittersweet.




Nice,
 
Can't beat a nice guitar.
 
As long as you are happy with it that is the main thing.
 


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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/25 16:38:22 (permalink)
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You forgot about the ex-Executive Vice President of Gibson!



I'm sorry but you will have to enlighten me.
 
cheers
 
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/25 16:38:31 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby gswitz 2017/11/26 00:59:34
gibbon bashing doesn't help either, but who needs to vent about gibbons? david attenbruh?

just a sec

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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/25 16:51:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2017/11/26 01:06:04
Gibson did not execute this well at all. But to be realistic, the vast majority of companies don't handle such situations well.
 
Decisions are typically made entirely at the upper levels of management. The rank and file are rarely if ever consulted. Senior people spend their work lives in a bubble of other well-to-do associates, boardrooms and golf outings. So naturally, they look out for their pals first, setting up golden parachutes and job connections. Only after they've been assured they can still afford their country club membership do they give a second thought to how their recently laid-off secretary will buy groceries.
 
This is just how it works. I've seen the process up close more than once. It's one of the reasons I walked away from the corporate world 20 years ago and opted for self-employment. Even though taking that route has meant income insecurity, going without health insurance, dealing with business chores when I'd rather be flipping bits, taking almost no vacations, and not being able to retire. But I'd rather go three months without a paycheck than ever go through the insulting experience of being kicked to the curb like a worn-out printer while the executive who's boot print was on my butt got a bonus for his innovative leadership.
 
Here's what Gibson should have done. Gibson should have gone to Cakewalk people and asked them to develop a shutdown plan. They should have asked them what the repercussions would be for employees, business partners, IP value, and customers. That would have been the smart thing to do, because they are not a software company. When they kill a guitar model, there are no repercussions except maybe that model now becomes a collector's item.
 
So yeh, I have to agree with the majority opinion here: Gibson really screwed the pooch on this one. That doesn't mean it wasn't a logical and inevitable business decision. It doesn't mean they are all jerks (well, maybe a couple of them). It just means there is some embarrassing incompetence among their management team, which anyone could already assume given their spiraling debt. You don't have to be an MBA to know they've been making bad decisions for awhile.
 
Still, Geoff's right. There is no point in moaning about how evil Gibson is, because it won't change anything. But they won't shut down the forum because of it. I doubt those executives are even aware of all this disgust and hatred being vented. They're all out on the golf course schmoozing their way to their next job.
 


All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/25 16:56:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/11/25 17:00:59
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pathos
 
You forgot about the ex-Executive Vice President of Gibson!



I'm sorry but you will have to enlighten me.
 
cheers
 
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/25 17:00:57 (permalink)
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Haha! Thanks... Yeah, but they sacked poor old Craig before all this, and although I am sure he does care what is happening here at the moment, I'm thinking he doesn't want to get involved.
 
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/26 00:00:55 (permalink)
To be clear, I don't care about Gibson. I like Cakewalk products.

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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/26 00:10:07 (permalink)
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Companies have to protect their shareholders




Only if they go public and actually have shareholders. What's wrong with staying private, and small, and nimble? Going public means you HAVE to increase profit on a regular basis, and that usually requires doing things to appease shareholders, and not necessarily customers.

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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/26 00:16:37 (permalink)
The people who have the money and are making the money based off the Gibson name could care less what anyone thinks, you will never see them shed one tear over your feelings whatsoever. 
 
Truth be known, this isn't about Gibson, this is about Cakewalk and how Cakewalk made the decision to bail on us all. Twist things around in anyway you wish, but the reality is the name "Cakewalk" is the name you trusted and that is the name on the software and the name that made all the decisions, Gibson just purchased the company. And for all we know, I mean really, how do we know that Cakewalk didn't have a say in contract selling terms as to how their software moved forward or did not? 
 
I wouldn't be ticked off at Gibson for making a business move, I'd show my anger towards Cakewalk if I were you, because Cakewalk is the company that sold you and everyone else who purchased the product out, not Gibson...... 
 
 

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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help 2017/11/26 00:25:52 (permalink)
Gibson has probably heard it all many times over. They have threaded discussions on their very website for their guitars,etc.
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