gswitz
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Gibson bashing doesn't help
Gibson needs to protect their name. Bashing them on their forum seems like a good way to have the forum locked down.
post edited by gswitz - 2017/11/24 15:31:20
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bass2rez
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 15:20:46
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I agree. Bashing Gibson in the way we are seeing on this forum is not productive, and is the sort of behavior that can get threads locked or deleted, or worse still, for the forum to be closed.
I think we need to try and keep calm and seek to discuss our options with Cakewalk and Gibson in a productive manner. We may find that approach works better than an attack, despite the understandably high tensions.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 15:23:35
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☄ Helpfulby Del 2017/11/24 18:04:17
We can agree or disagree with Gibson, but it makes business decisions based on its best information and analysis. Many products I loved fell by the wayside over the years, but it was never the result of any evil intent. Companies have to protect their shareholders or a different group will be after them.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 15:23:49
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 15:38:22
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Thanks. I needed a good chuckle.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 15:47:20
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/11/25 03:35:51
I do agree, but if the message that Noel apparently put out there that authorization will be possible after the servers shut down was posted straight away, I don't think there would have been half the vitriol we saw in the immediate aftermath of the announcement. Little of the community backlash would have been necessary...or justified.
Still waiting for that message, but in the vacuum of support and communication there's other stuff to occupy me time. Like starting up Sonar.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 15:56:49
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☄ Helpfulby SiberianKhatru59 2017/11/24 15:58:19
But they have taken money from people for updates they will no longer provide. I chose to take another year of updates and paid them for it upfront. Waste of money. Ive emailed Cakewalk and Gibson and asked for a refund. No reply. Until they refund me and everyone else who'se lost money I dont care about their business decisions or their rich shareholders.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 16:02:32
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Gibson needs a good bashing! They build overpriced, poor quality guitars and destroyed Cakewalk. Don't even mention their ethics toward their employees. And yes, their ethics toward their customers is bad too.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 16:19:13
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I think Gibson will probably not for charge your card for the rest of monthly updates that no longer are coming. But if you already paid in full, I don't think they'll be returning any money they owe you since they don't have any. They are losing money so join the line.
Of course, we all should have know that paying in advance is a crap shoot, esp. in software. We took a chance, and hey, it didn't work out. Sad but true. Lifetime updates was too good to be true if you expected to be getting free updates 5 years into the future. 2-3 years was reasonable, considering users would have been ahead of simply paying by the year. Many paid $150 for about a year and a half, where Gibson comes out ahead. But not that much, if you were buying yearly updates. If you didn't regularly buy each year's "new SONAR," well, you were trying to get up one on Cake and Gibson.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 16:29:36
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If Gibson provides an offline file that I can load on the new machine I just bought then I'm fine with them walking away. I'll never do business with them again, even if they survive. I just want what we all want in the absence of a new owner: perpetual access to the software we paid for.
They're digging a deeper hole by staying silent.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 16:30:47
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☄ Helpfulby SiberianKhatru59 2017/11/24 16:48:30
AT
stinking double post
Is that the name of a new Gibson guitar?
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 16:32:48
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☄ Helpfulby SiberianKhatru59 2017/11/24 16:52:53
I understand your point, but Gibson NEEDS to know how upset people are.
You are correct that it need not be extreme and vicious. So,Good point!
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 18:02:30
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konradh
We can agree or disagree with Gibson, but it makes business decisions based on its best information and analysis. Many products I loved fell by the wayside over the years, but it was never the result of any evil intent. Companies have to protect their shareholders or a different group will be after them.
Konrad, it is not about decision Gibson has made it is about how Gibson has done it.... But how Gibson has treated Sonarians... Did you see any official email from them about closing Sonar ? They published 17-th November info at their pages... So if you read every day their web site you were informed... Do you see anything from Gibson about future for Sonarians? Any move to compensate abandoning its users? They just published short info at their web and that's all... Like removing thrashes... Gibson exist in history of music but Cakewalk as well.. 30 years... It does mean something... They should show respect to users, they should show respect for music market... It is not about selling beets or potatoes ...
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 18:16:53
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gps
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stinking double post
Is that the name of a new Gibson guitar?
\o/
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 18:19:31
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I disagree about politeness ever working. In my opinion nothing changes by being polite. I love Sonar X3 it is a very good product and I hope the ownership will be transferred to that platform as well. Sonar for me is like buying a music store having all the instruments included and than taking a trip through several various Mixer consoles. I never could wrap around the name changes when Gibson bought Cakewalk. Hopefully some Open source company could step in and it could become a public product like the open source licenses that many linux programs have. It just too good and very complicated to explore, but worthwhile. Any ways those are my thoughts. I love Sonar and before that the product I liked was Dr' T's Keyboard Sequcner for the Amiga. Also while Biab and RealBand are excellent sequencers in their own right. Sonar was more feature rich with their media browser and things like that. I am going to miss this very much. I used both those programs together. In fact now I guess I'll have to use stylemaker in Biab, Honestly I am heart broken the experiences people have made with these products is fantastic.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 18:31:16
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I think Gibson will probably not for charge your card for the rest of monthly updates that no longer are coming. But if you already paid in full, I don't think they'll be returning any money they owe you since they don't have any. They are losing money so join the line.
Of course, we all should have know that paying in advance is a crap shoot, esp. in software. We took a chance, and hey, it didn't work out. Sad but true. Lifetime updates was too good to be true if you expected to be getting free updates 5 years into the future. 2-3 years was reasonable, considering users would have been ahead of simply paying by the year. Many paid $150 for about a year and a half, where Gibson comes out ahead. But not that much, if you were buying yearly updates. If you didn't regularly buy each year's "new SONAR," well, you were trying to get up one on Cake and Gibson.
No and no. This isn't buying a lottery ticket.And, taking advantage of an offer of a good value is certainly trying to gain some benefit for oneself, but not necessarily at the disadvantage of another. Sellers and buyers are traders, not enemies.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 18:36:03
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☄ Helpfulby SiberianKhatru59 2017/11/24 18:53:36
Im trying not to be upset with Gibson but as said, I feel like they treated us like trash in this situation.
No notice to paying Sonar customers about what will happen to their memberships, money, exc.
I could understand if Gibson had gone bankrupt but they haven't.
They have left 1000's of users wondering why, when and how.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 18:44:59
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☄ Helpfulby SiberianKhatru59 2017/11/24 18:53:34
Gibson need bashing, the way they have handle this is outrageous and unprofessional. I feel for all Sonar users and the cakewalk staff, it`s not good enough.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 19:54:45
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Why not make Cakewalk open source? (just a thought) And... Microsoft is not making much money on Windows so should they stop developing it? No, they were smart and moved into the cloud. I keep my Cakewalk project files in the cloud and pay Microsoft a monthly subscription for that. I like having the Microsoft apps too but I mainly pay the 10 dollars a month to Microsoft for the terabyte of cloud storage... I would much rather rent this cloud space from Cakewalk considering the collaboration possibilities between other Cakewalk users and that these files are directly related to Cakewalk. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater Gibson...
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 20:07:12
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As I said before I did some digging when I bought my Garrison guitar. The original company offered a lifetime warranty on workmanship. A few of the guitars had issues and owners all reported that Garrison dealt with that with no hassle, would just repair or give you a new guitar. They were slowly building a good reputation and making guitars to rival any domestic smaller factory guitars, like Taylor as example.
Gibson liked what they were doing , the owners were in finacial trouble because they expanded too fast.
Right away Gibson took over the Garrison brand name and immediately stopped honoring the lifetime warranty. This is what you'll find in posts on acoustic guitar forums from 2008. Outraged owners pisssed at Gibson,,, so history is repeating it self again here.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 20:08:58
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☄ Helpfulby Christiank.vanves 2017/11/24 21:54:03
You know, we are the lucky ones who came to the forums and noticed the announcement that Cakewalk staff posted as they solemnly said goodbye before leaving and locking the door behind them. The vast majority of Sonar users don't come to the forums often if ever. They are still completely unaware of what has happened as they sit there in front of Sonar merrily doing their thing. They probably won't know until Sonar suddenly, one day during a big project, goes into Demo mode because their annual payments never completed and got them to full license owner status. Gibson has done f**k all to notify customers about this and most customers don't know about this. Those customers will also miss these crossgrade deals to other DAWs as a result of Gibson's sh*t attitude towards Cakewalk customers. Seriously, "don't slag Gibson off" Why the hell not? Should we praise them, clap and shout 'bravo' instead?
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 20:48:19
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I imagine the key to unlock Sonar will be an Email..But that said there are lots of people who complain they don't get the E mails even though they had set that up.
Any how many didn't agree to the E mails. As you say there are probably more Sonar users than we can imagine who will never know what happened until it's too late to fix it.
Possibly a notice pop up when you launch CCC ?
And I wouldn't fear Gibson shutting this Forum down because we are bashing them, the chance that anyone who works there has ever visited this forum are slim to none.
And there's a huge possiblity that Gibson doesn't even know this forum exists and it will run on forever with some accountant paying the annual fee not knowing Gibson no longer supports Cakewalk.
And we now have other places to go even though I won't move from here until it's dead.
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SiberianKhatru59
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/24 21:07:08
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The list of ways we could get screwed far outsizes the list of ways we won't in my view.
Of course, Gibson being Gibson we can eat radio silence until our software stops working.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/25 05:47:00
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Cactus Music
Possibly a notice pop up when you launch CCC ?
Actually, that's a good idea. They should put a notification on the Sonar start screen maybe. I should hope they are working all this stuff out at the moment.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/25 07:53:17
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Bashing Gibson doesn't help.
Petitions won't help.
Trying to do a kickstarter campaign probably won't help.
Calls to open source Sonar won't help.
Sonar should be able to run for a long time. Project 5 has been running fine for me for 10 years, and that has been across 3 new versions of the OS. Granted, some worry about authorization, but if Cakewalk/Gibson fail to provide a solution, a keygen will surely appear.
I can understand that the fear of Sonar stopping unexpectedly can hamper creativity, as many PC users of Alchemy have experienced. Maybe now would be a good time to catch up on some reading, spend time with friends, learn a new language, or do something to help out the real-world community.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/25 07:58:19
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gps
AT
stinking double post
Is that the name of a new Gibson guitar?
Nope. Every juan of my posts.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/25 09:24:30
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Cactus Music
And I wouldn't fear Gibson shutting this Forum down because we are bashing them, the chance that anyone who works there has ever visited this forum are slim to none.
And there's a huge possiblity that Gibson doesn't even know this forum exists and it will run on forever with some accountant paying the annual fee not knowing Gibson no longer supports Cakewalk.
And we now have other places to go even though I won't move from here until it's dead.
I thought about this from a corporate standpoint, and I agree that if this forum was a line item in a budget at the Gibson level, everything you speculate would probably be true. However, I assume that the owners of this forum are Cakewalk, and for the bean counters at Gibson, the only thing they probably get to de-fund is the spreadsheet line that reads 'Cakewalk Music Systems'. One click, and it's dead, I'm afraid.
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Re: Gibson bashing doesn't help
2017/11/25 09:29:20
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A line item in Oracle......
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