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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/20 23:37:29
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Old News, Lars. Sorry to say, but it is true.
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/21 00:38:48
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Article says 10 hours ago...
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/21 01:09:22
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I read about it being up for sale months ago ... does the article say a deal closed on it?
Wait ... maybe I read about a warehouse months ago.
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/21 01:21:23
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I'm sure, given the current situation, they'll be offing a lot of their
properties to increase cash flow
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/21 13:31:33
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/10/21 15:36:25
All that would need to happen is have someone who cares buy Gibson.
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
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☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/10/23 16:24:47
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All that would need to happen is have someone who cares buy Gibson.
I think it's more than that. The music industry needs a shift to happen which makes instrument based music top again. Where most kids in the 90's used to take up instruments, they now take up FL Studio to make beats. That's caused a massive shift in market demand for instruments.
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/10/23 17:39:19
Yup...who wants to master an instrument when they can play with blocks?
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/21 19:21:39
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/10/21 20:35:11
yorolpal
Yup...who wants to master an instrument when they can play with blocks?
A lot of the guys who used to play Gibson Les Paul's and SG's have transitioned to ESP in recent years. While Gibson is still revered for vintage instruments, people buying new instruments don't seem to put much faith into Gibson's contemporary line up. From their political propaganda and poor marketing strategies to their questionable "innovations" and insane prices in recent years, Gibson has just been caught in a downward spiral... Heck just yesterday, I was chatting with a kid (well, a guy in his late 20's I suppose) at work who saw the guitar on my computer screen and told me he too really loved Les Paul's and was looking forward to buying... a ESP Eclipse. The truth is that if you're looking to buy a Les Paul today, there is a wide variety of options ranging from inexpensive to uber high end instruments -most of them doing Gibson better than Gibson themselves.
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/21 21:31:55
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2017/10/21 21:56:23
Around a decade ago a vintage LP was roughly $5000, now new guitars are in that range so Gibson has been pricing themselves out of market for a while now. The brand name was the biggest value at one time, but that has slowly eroded in recent years as well.
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/21 23:25:46
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That's what happens when profit is the main objective,
rather than quality. Greed is a terrible thing!
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/22 00:59:42
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Profit was always the objective. Things have just shifted. The market was A LOT smaller back in the days of yore but less competitive. The kid buying a guitar now simply has more options. In the heyday of guitar based music there was no option to go online and order 10 guitars for what you would pay for a gibson. Guitars are far from the only products adjusting to generational buying shifts. Typewriters are pretty much extinct. Pop music constantly shifts. I'm sure clarinet players felt a type of way when big band gave way to rock and roll.
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/22 02:39:23
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I know a lot of players who are complaining about the quality and direction Gibson is going. I'm not a huge Gibson fan, but I might buy one if they weren't so expensive. The company seems to be shooting itself in the foot. I hope they can turn things around.
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/22 02:48:30
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i think Gibson, like a lot traditional brands is struggling with how to compete with lower costing alternatives and changing demand for product. The odds of classic rock suddenly becoming the default pop genre is no more likely than ragtime dominating the pop charts. best case is modern interpretations like when grunge movement was big or hybrid genres.
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/22 13:27:31
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Mmm ... Solace by Scott Joplin. Just marvelous.
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/22 18:28:28
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☄ Helpfulby Fleer 2017/10/22 22:29:07
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Mmm ... Solace by Scott Joplin. Just marvelous.
Indeed. Believe it or not many kids appreciate that, but not enough to make it mainstream again.
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/10/24 12:56:22
People buy a Les Paul Standard because it's a classic tried/true instrument. Once you've put on robotic-tuning (which can be flaky)... and change the nut to a brass adjustable piece (which changes string spacing), it's innovative... but no longer the same. I know our local GC (back in 2015) had to remove the robotic tuning system and put on Grover Locking Tuners to sell their remaining 2015 Les Paul Standards. It's got to be difficult being a Heritage guitar company. People buy/love the guitars for what they are... not what they could be (even technical improvements). I have exactly the same reaction... Whenever I see Gibson come out with something new/innovative/different, it's somewhat of a turn-off. That's got to be frustrating... because the company wants to develop/innovate and create new instruments/standards. Out of many guitars I've owned over the past 12 or so years (took up guitar later in life), two of the very best are Gibson Les Pauls. Are they over-priced? Maybe. IME, Gibson's best guitars are exceptional. Manufacturing anything of quality in the U.S. has gotten extremely expensive. Doesn't matter if you're talking cars, guitars, etc... It may never happen... but it would be nice to see a renaissance in quality U.S. manufacturing... where top-notch products could be made/sold at reasonable cost. I fear the answer to this dilemma is above my pay grade.  Though guitar may fall somewhat "out of vogue" with younger generations, maybe we're not doing enough to expose kids to the wonders of guitar... and the love of playing an instrument.
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/22 20:30:33
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/23 08:04:24
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My post disappeared...
That's happen to me. It was a long response to someone. When I noticed it was gone I just said...
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/23 22:24:58
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My post disappeared...
We are still waiting for what you have to say...
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/24 07:34:47
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My lengthy post in other thread has also disappeared... Attempts to re-post have also failed. I blame Gibson 
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
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My post disappeared...
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/24 13:08:09
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"We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl" (Wish You Were Here)
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/24 13:49:52
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Thanks Noel!
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
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Jim Roseberry
People buy a Les Paul Standard because it's a classic tried/true instrument.
Once you've put on robotic-tuning (which can be flaky)... and change the nut to a brass adjustable piece (which changes string spacing), it's innovative... but no longer the same.
I know our local GC (back in 2015) had to remove the robotic tuning system and put on Grover Locking Tuners to sell their remaining 2015 Les Paul Standards.
It's got to be difficult being a Heritage guitar company.
People buy/love the guitars for what they are... not what they could be (even technical improvements).
I have exactly the same reaction...
Whenever I see Gibson come out with something new/innovative/different, it's somewhat of a turn-off.
That's got to be frustrating... because the company wants to develop/innovate and create new instruments/standards.
Out of many guitars I've owned over the past 12 or so years (took up guitar later in life), two of the very best are Gibson Les Pauls. Are they over-priced? Maybe.
IME, Gibson's best guitars are exceptional.
Manufacturing anything of quality in the U.S. has gotten extremely expensive.
Doesn't matter if you're talking cars, guitars, etc...
It may never happen... but it would be nice to see a renaissance in quality U.S. manufacturing... where top-notch products could be made/sold at reasonable cost. I fear the answer to this dilemma is above my pay grade.
Though guitar may fall somewhat "out of vogue" with younger generations, maybe we're not doing enough to expose kids to the wonders of guitar... and the love of playing an instrument.
IMO, another part of the problem is that there are high quality alternatives available at a fraction of the cost of a Gibson. My '99 Historic '57 Gibby is the highest quality guitar I own. I bought it new for $1950 back then. I would never pay the prices being asked today. I also have a '14 Gibby LP Studio Pro. Really nice once I got some decent pups into it. The kicker is that I also have a PRS SE ZM that has every ounce of quality - for less than 7 bills new. I see Gibson's story running in parallel with Harley's. HD has tried various innovations over the years, but their bread and butter remains with big V twins. Their story differs in that HD quality has improved in step with their prices. They have managed to improve quality without diminishing the experience. BUT, they are still largely dependent on older buyers with means and brand loyalty. Motorcycles are WAY more complicated than guitars. Your basic LP Standard only has so much room for improvement without changing the experience. This keeps the focus on fit/finish ... which hasn't necessarily kept pace with the times. Now add in the reduced focus on guitar in modern music. And no nibs on neck binding any more?!!!
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/24 23:55:19
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I have an LP Studio since I like chunky necks. Something about USA made guitars is they are often inconsistent compared to imports. I've seen some poor finishes on Fenders. I traded in a lot of my cheap guitars to get my LP. I had to play a few studios and the one I bought made sound on the 22nd fret. Since I don't play that much I'm content with it. I still like PRS but I would have to play a lot more to justify paying $2000+ for one.
Ernie Ball tried to make USA models with the MM Sub series. They dropped them because they couldn't make a profit selling them for $700. I got a MM Sub 5 Bass for $500. I'll never get rid of that but it's like wearing a railroad tie.
Guitar is probably still the most popular instrument in the US. There's a big decline in kids wanting to play wind instruments. I think it's a regional thing. A Sam Ash in Phoenix is pretty sad compared to one in the Chicago area when it comes to wind instruments. I'd also say that when it comes to high end guitars as well.
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/25 00:42:42
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BobF
IMO, another part of the problem is that there are high quality alternatives available at a fraction of the cost of a Gibson. . . . . . . . . . .
The kicker is that I also have a PRS SE ZM that has every ounce of quality - for less than 7 bills new.
Ain't that the truth, I have 2 SE Custom 24s ( 2016 and 2017 models), and I would rather play them than either of my LP's (Custom and Standard) or my SG, and they sound gorgeous, I also have their big brother, the real Custom 24 and it's in it's own league, simply beautiful. I also find Schecter to be excellent with quality and features, even at the lower(ish) end, the Damien Elite or Damien Custom series are excellent value at around the $1100 -$1300 here in Australia now( around $600-$800 US I guess) certainly nothing to sneeze at. I have a Damien Elite for a knockabout, and I love my 2 Hellraisers( a bit more expensive), Hellraiser C1 and Hellraiser Solo II, the build and finish quality is awesome, they feel and sound awesome, and again I much prefer playing them over my LP's and SG. I'd never buy another Gibson, way over priced, and quite simply you can get as good and better for less, much less. But if you want the ' name' and that classic vibe, or you just like the look, feel and sound of the classic Gibson, then you gotta pay the price, not for me though.
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/25 20:55:51
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Regarding Gibson sound/playability:
I've played some recent make Les Paul Standards that I thought felt "cheap" compared to Gibson Custom, PRS, or other higher-end guitars.
I've also recently played R9 and R10 Les Pauls.
To me, the R9 and R10 are some of the best sounding/playing guitars I've ever picked up.
There's a certain little extra something that those guitars have... that's just not in any Standard that I've played (nor many other guitars). Ironically, no advanced switching options (coil-taps/splits, phase, etc)... just 3 position switch.
What it does... sounds amazing. Big, aggressive, well-defined tone... that just screams ROCK guitar.
I wouldn't pay full price for a R9 or R10, but at heavy discount (or good condition used) I'd definitely recommend checking them out.
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Re: Gibson selling Memphis Factor
2017/10/25 22:41:18
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I owned a PRS SE Custom 24 and it was decent, but NOTHING
compared to my CE24...it's night and day...so I'm sure the
Custom 24 raises that even more...
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