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Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
After reading the negative review of W10 on Amazon (link below), among other articles, I think I will just stay with W7 until 2020. Everything works now like it should, and I like that. When I moved from XP to W7 years ago, I still run into an issue now and then where something that used to work don't work anymore. Bummer. So I am thinking I just don't need the hassle. I have built all my machines over the years, and at some point I will replace the motherboard, cpu, memory etc. and then my "free" W10 upgrade will be void because it won't be the same machine, and I'll have to buy W10, so not really "free". This machine is dedicated to music production, and it and I could care less about a new start menu, new browser, fingerprint password (oh oh I got a blister, now I can't do music!). The adage, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" seems applicable. It seems qhite unlikely that the operating system is going to make me a better singer or a better guitar player. http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-10-Home-Download/product-reviews/B01019BM7O/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending So ... the reason for this diatribe/post ... am I safe to run the command center and upgrade my Platinum? Sonar is not going to suddenly upgrade itself, and then stop working because I'm sticking with W7? That would suck!!!
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 03:40:28
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No. Sonar is still compatible with Win 7, 8 & now 10.
Most users here who have upgraded to win 10 have not experienced any negative issues. I've just updated to Win 10 without any issues.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 03:48:22
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good luck to you. I updated to 10 from 8.1 and am very happy. They have been saying in will be last version so I wonder if this means we will not need to worry about gear becoming obsolete thru driver neglect.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 03:58:21
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Those on Windows 10: do you know if RME drivers work ok? And for that matter, did you have to find and install many other new drivers for printers, etc.? Or do 'old' drivers work ok?
I'm just trying to gauge the size of the challenge involved in moving to W10; investing time in upgrading is ok, but spending further hours on searching for new drivers is another and I'll need to choose my moment with a bit more planning!
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 04:33:44
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☄ Helpfulby Skyline_UK 2015/08/05 10:53:46
RME claims it's all good (I also worried about it). Not running 10 yet, but if RME says it is so, it's kinda like Mutt Lange saying you will have a hit when he's done :O)
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 08:03:05
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That Amazon review is full of misinformation and is clearly uninformed. I wouldn't draw any conclusions by reading one negative review. Most of the complaints he had were about privacy and every single issue can be resolved by customizing Windows.
RME drivers work fine on Win10 - they released a driver update earlier last month. I installed it after Win 10 and there were no problems. I did have to reboot after install for totalmix to show up on the taskbar.
There will be a limit for how long we officially support Win 7. We will soon stop testing on it though it will likely remain compatible for a long time. Win10 is ahead of Win 7 in terms of performance and memory management and outperforms Win7. Read my blog post if you need more details.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 08:28:17
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Noel, I read your blog post on Win 10 and it was very reassuring. I was somewhat skeptical and unsure about the upgrade, but that was put to rest. Thanks, that was much appreciated.
Here's the final word from that blog:
CONCLUSIONWindows 10 is a mature version of Windows that might just be the best OS release from Microsoft, building on the performance of Windows 8.1 while addressing many of its limitations. It’s great to see features in there that benefit both audio professionals and consumers. The overall user experience is smoother and initial benchmarks show that it performs equally or better than Windows 8. The new continuous integration model, Microsoft’s renewed attention to the audio industry and the fact that it’s a free update from Windows 7 and 8, should make this a great update for most DAW users.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 08:35:49
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
That Amazon review is full of misinformation and is clearly uninformed. I wouldn't draw any conclusions by reading one negative review.
I clicked on the link, and I saw a page full of positive reviews, and one massive paragraph-break-free ranting screed. I didn't think "now, of all the people here, this is the guy whose opinion I trust". Some people get really weird about this stuff. I don't know why.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 09:06:10
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I think it's fair to recognize that Windows 10 is "free" the same way that many games are "free to play". Microsoft most definitely strip mines all user activity and has chosen default settings that are extremely permissive. For me, I've concluded that Windows 10 essentially has been "google'ized" and that as a user it's important to understand/recognize that Microsoft makes their money by data-mining user activity and (likely) using that across their properties.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 09:52:11
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If I were you just stick with Win7 for six months then update.
You should update but I would not touch it with a barge poll for at least six months unless you enjoy waiting for drivers, and working around regression bugs. So make it 2016 not 2020.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 09:54:59
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But are there any good reasons to "upgrade" Win7 if it is working great as is and you ain't too sure about TC drivers for your interface. The only reason my music rig touches the internet is to update (manually plugged in and no wireless). I can't think of a reason, except better touch access.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 09:56:59
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Aside from a confusing driver issue with my Roland Studio-Captures in my 8.1 laptop, upgrading was absolutely painless. I posted about that issue in this forum yesterday and it was an easy fix once I figured out what was wrong. I see you have windows 7 and I had no problems whatsoever upgrading a desktop of mine with 7 on it. It took about 20-30 minutes to get up and running. I would think that you would like to stay current just for your hardware's sake. Even though Sonar may work 5 years from now doesn't mean that your hardware will and then you buy new hardware that says "Not Compatible With Any OS older Than Windows 10!" OH, BOY!
I have to say I am not a tech guy when it comes to computers and hacking systems and such but I REALLY like 10. I have been a PC guy since Windows 98. I skipped Vista because of the horror stories I heard about it but I have had every version since 98 and I will say I am quite impressed with !0.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 09:59:15
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AT
But are there any good reasons to "upgrade" Win7 if it is working great as is and you ain't too sure about TC drivers for your interface. The only reason my music rig touches the internet is to update (manually plugged in and no wireless). I can't think of a reason, except better touch access.
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Support. Read Noel's comments.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 10:19:31
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The USA Pentagon paid Microsoft millions of dollars to continue with support for Win XP. I surmise the saying, "It takes a long time to turn a big ship" is true. I fancy a nifty little speed boat with all the latest gadgets for my Sonar.
2020 is much too long compared to the time-frame, Prince wrote a song, 1999.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 12:31:45
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I'll do you one better: I'm planning on sticking with Windows 7 and sonar 8.5.3 until I die.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 12:43:21
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michael diemer
I'll do you one better: I'm planning on sticking with Windows 7 and sonar 8.5.3 until I die.
I don't know how old you are or whether you have any diagnosed terminal conditions, but I suspect your computer will die first.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 12:58:07
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
We will soon stop testing on it though it will likely remain compatible for a long time.
Please don't do that. How soon is "soon"? I like Win7. I paid good money for Win7 Pro for my DAW so it would work with Sonar. I literally built my DAW around Sonar and that was only a few years ago. I'm not saying I am totally against Win10 or upgrading to it but I would kind of expect at least a couple more years of releases being checked on an OS a large percentage of us will likely continue using for a while. Especially if 10 turns out to have hidden/unforeseen irks and shortcomings. Even if you just let the Beta guys on 7 check stuff out. Cripes... I'd join the Beta team if that's what it took but I am mostly useless when it comes to that stuff. I would learn though JUST to keep Sonar properly running on Win7. Just one customer's opinion. Not trying b*tch or keep you guys in the stone age but PLEASE keep 7 on your test list for longer than "soon". Thank you for your consideration on this matter.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 12:59:14
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Dr., of course support - eventually. I'm not talking about long term, you can take my Win 7 out of my cold, wrinkled hands. But for mid-term, is there any practical reason for updating to 10, say right up until the free offer expires? I know there is supposed to be lower latency innards, but neither Tascam nor TC has released new drivers for my hardware in the last year or so, and TASCAM looks never to for UH-7000. So until TC releases new drivers, I'll stay happy w/ 3-4 ms in W7. Some people have had problems w/ the old drivers on 10, others not, according to the forum. So that is a crap shoot.
I do plan on upgrading an all-in-one I got for live use just to see if the TASCAM will work, but it doesn't have FW so no TC.
And I never do same-day OS. I have music to do w/ my rig, not sussing out tech issues. Been there, done that and I prefer to let the young and knowledgeable and eager do that these days. Damn it Jim, I'm a recording engineer, not computer engineer. I usually wait for a bug fix or two.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 13:09:00
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BTW... I am one of those not digging the forced updates thing/privacy stuff. So much so I am researching the limited info available on circumnavigating those currently muddy waters.
So far what I have learned is that Enterprise will be the ONLY version that allows you to totally forego/choose updates to be installed... at likely $200 a pop.
And it yanks a ton of features (due to it being an Enterprise edition for business).
I am actually considering paying a premium for a less feature rich product just for luxury of not having potentially harmful MS updates crammed onto my system. That's kind of crazy methinks... but my main question about that is...
Will you guys be testing with Win10 Enterprise? Are those missing features going to be a problem for using Sonar or doing audio stuff in general?
Really trying to not come across like some paranoid weirdo but I have my own little system for security and not gacking out my systems. So far it's worked well. I don't want to be forced off that path because I'm idiot and I hate having to stop what I'm doing to fix things that were previously not broken.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 13:30:43
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If you read the Microsoft license agreement for the "free" W10, it says "free for the one machine you put it on", not for the next machine you build/upgrade to replace the previous. I am assume this means you have to buy W10, so not "free". If I am correct, you are only getting a "free" W10 on the current machine you are upgrading, not for the machine you replace that with. Sure you can go out and BUY a new machine that has W10 on it, but then you have to hope that all your music hardware/software is going to be compatible with proprietary motherboards from Dell, HP, whatever. If I am going to be forced at some point down the road to buy W10 in any case, why shouldn't I just wait?
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 13:38:30
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The updates that MS offers for it OS are bug fixes and fixing security holes they find. I have 8.1 on my desktop and have gotten all of its updates to date. I don't get the notion one doesn't want their OS updated and seems to me to be poor logic.
If an update gives one a problem one can roll back to a earlier version. Now, I like to decide when an update will happen but having control over the timing of the install is not the same as not updating at all. I highly advise all to reconsider the notion of not updating. If it must be automatic so be it. You gain a lot and loose very little.
Its not much different from what CW is offering. We just have the control of when we update with CW. I think few of us would advise not to update.
Lets keep things in perspective. Win 8 and 8.1 are better than Windows 7. Win 10 is better than Windows 8.1. Also its going to be the longest lived OS MS has provided to date. I can't see a downside for going with Windows 10. Though I would advise that one gets Windows 10 pro not home.
One last point, I hear fear guiding some about this. There is nothing to fear in going with a new OS as long as you follow common sense precautions. Backup first and you have little to fear.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 13:56:35
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Cake only officially dropped XP support a few years ago (with X2 I believe). That's understandable. There was a stable and suitable replacement that was being used and lauded (Win7) at the time. Win 8 although popular with some and had it's merits was a mess like Vista was (which also had its fans). Win10 is likely to be the proper release based on the successes and failures of 8 (just like Vista was to 7).
I just think it is WAY too premature to start talking about dropping support for 7 when large swaths of us still use 7 and Win10 has been out less than a week... AND these types of security, update management, etc issues are still unsorted.
Cake listens to their customers. I generally don't make an unnecessary fuss about things. This, to me, is important and something to consider. I doubt I will be alone.
This is completely separate from the OPs grievances which... well I find a little odd and misdirected. I am responding completely and totally to the post in regards to Win7 support/testing being dropped "soon".
Just sayin'. Not all of are quite ready to leap before we look.
Yanno?
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 14:54:40
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Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK? Whatever you do is O-Tay with me. Thanks for asking. 
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 14:55:01
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John, you're right about most situations. If you have multi-use computers (music + everything else) staying updated is a must, especially anti-virus. I try to keep all my other, non-music computers updated, tho it ain't easy (as someone once sang) since I have 3 + an iPad. Well, it is easy enough, but still time-consuming.
I'm not afraid of it, either, simply worried about burning a lot of time unnecessarily for no performance upgrade. Seems like a sensible precaution to me, esp. until the next iteration comes out w/ all the fixes a first, live release uncovers. One of the aspects of a dedicated machine is you can wait until convenient to destabilized it.
But if you only have the one machine to rule them all then it is best to stay current. And sooner or later we will all be Win 10. In fact, I went with a windows phone in the hope of better integration, even tho I didn't much like the HC I had. We'll see if that was smart 2 years from now or if I turn to the dark side of consumerism and finally get an iPhone.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 17:03:56
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Until Steinberg and Roland get their acts together I have no choice but to stay on win 7. As soon as the drivers are out I'll upgrade. I liked most things I saw on Win 10 but I can't really go out and buy new peripherals to make my OS happy. Both Roland and Yamaha are famous for dumping hardware so it may get a bit iffy.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 17:15:02
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GregGraves
After reading the negative review of W10 on Amazon (link below), among other articles, I think I will just stay with W7 until 2020. Everything works now like it should, and I like that. When I moved from XP to W7 years ago, I still run into an issue now and then where something that used to work don't work anymore. Bummer. So I am thinking I just don't need the hassle. I have built all my machines over the years, and at some point I will replace the motherboard, cpu, memory etc. and then my "free" W10 upgrade will be void because it won't be the same machine, and I'll have to buy W10, so not really "free". This machine is dedicated to music production, and it and I could care less about a new start menu, new browser, fingerprint password (oh oh I got a blister, now I can't do music!). The adage, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" seems applicable. It seems qhite unlikely that the operating system is going to make me a better singer or a better guitar player.
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-10-Home-Download/product-reviews/B01019BM7O/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
So ... the reason for this diatribe/post ... am I safe to run the command center and upgrade my Platinum? Sonar is not going to suddenly upgrade itself, and then stop working because I'm sticking with W7? That would suck!!!
You're making the right decision. Upgrading the OS is about the most extreme thing one can do with a computer whose programs are working OK. It's basically asking for trouble. I never do it unless I absolutely have to, which is rare. Upgrading the OS will inevitably divert lots of time from making music to troubleshooting, configuring, reinstalling, making phone calls, asking for help, etc. etc... Besides, Windows 7 is the best OS Microsoft has produced, it's been working great for audio and MIDI in my studio for many years.. JG www.jerrygerber.com
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 17:24:39
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What's making me chuckle slightly (sorry) is that those of us who are worried about privacy are probably all using apple, android or MS Smartphones without a second thought (well some of us).
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Beepster
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 17:38:54
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I use a landline and I would never get a "Smart" phone that tracks. I want to set my old PAYG, LCD screen, Sim card driven Nokia hooked up again just for emergencies when I'm out and about in the gimpmobile.
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 18:30:25
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Yea, they are going to do what they are going to do. Just one big stream of meta data.
Soon your data will be able to reveal your future, and all us other humans, too. Then the robots take over.
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michael diemer
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Re: Glouchester and sticking with Windows 7 until 2020 OK?
2015/08/04 19:28:05
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Doktor Avalanche
michael diemer
I'll do you one better: I'm planning on sticking with Windows 7 and sonar 8.5.3 until I die.
I don't know how old you are or whether you have any diagnosed terminal conditions, but I suspect your computer will die first.
63 years young, no terminal condition, other than the one we all have.
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